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Re: Scrambler Rules

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THE GRAPHIC WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL. :P
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Re: Scrambler Rules

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I'm pretty sure about what you mean, but could you post a picture just to be sure?

Also can i attach something else to my egg mount? Last year in the front i had a small piece of plastic(less than 5 mm thick)that was carved out like an egg, i rested the egg in it with 2cm in front of it. Am i allowed to glue this piece of plastic onto the front of my eggmount to help stablize the egg? The egg will still be 2cm. in front of the other things.
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Re: Scrambler Rules

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i do not think that should be a problem.
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wow i'm horrible at paint :lol: In this cars case the wheels and the egg mount are the furthest most point. The red line shows the furthest most point. Sometimes it will be the wheels and mount but other times it will only be the mount. this depends on your design. The egg mount is the blue box and the egg is the green oval. Two cm of the egg should always pass that red line [note the red line is imaginary]
EDIT/ this is a birds eye view by the way. [yes i know the wheels would just be lines then but i made them ovals so you would know what they are]
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Re: Scrambler Rules

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Rule 3.c says that the egg mount must be "a rigid and unpadded flat surface...", so I would not expect any judge to approve a cradle attached to the front of the egg mount to help stabilize the egg. The carved piece of plastic will probably by interpreted as being a part of the egg mount and will be DQ'd.

In my experience as a coach and as a judge, you are best off taking the wording of the rules literally, and not trying to read into it clever exceptions or interpretations. If you can come up with a written clarification, then that's great. Otherwise, when you and the judge disagree on a rules interpretation, the judge wins, so don't put yourself in that position.

In previous years, the egg was rigidly mounted and placed against a backstop so that, for any impact, all of the impact force went through the eggshell. This year they are emphasizing no contact with the wall at all, but breaking the egg is still penalized (it stops the competition). It seems to me that having the egg capable of moving a bit on the egg mount as an advantage, provided it doesn't fly off the front when you stop.

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Re: Scrambler Rules

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ok but now i'm thinking when i impound my scrambler, can i leave the cradle in the front, but if the judge says i can't use it can i just take it off so it just an egg mount? Or am i not allowed to do this after i impound it?
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Re: Scrambler Rules

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you should be able to ask before you impound it but i do not think s/he is obligated to tell you if it fits the rules. after you impound it you cant touch it at all.
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But during my 10-minute period can't i just take it off if s/he says its illegal?
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Re: Scrambler Rules

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Maybe, i dont know. I've never been though this whole impound process. My coach told us that after the device gets impounded you cant make any changes to it but he could be wrong. Someone else could probably answer that better.
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Re: Scrambler Rules

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Bob3443, you can't get your answer here. The rules are pretty clear on the egg mount, and you are asking if you can get away with something extra. Only the event supervisor at your competition can answer that. Impounds are not always handled the same at every competition so, again, you have to ask the person who is running it. Some supervisors allow fixes, some don't, the rules don't exactly say. The judges are supposed to verify construction only after the scrambler is in the ready-to-launch configuration (rule 4.g). The safest approach is to take the rules at face value. If you want to do something else, check at your competition site before you go. Don't let yourself be surprised (and disappointed) because you assumed you would have a chance to make a change.

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Re: Scrambler Rules

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I agree with Bob. Your best bet is to ask your event supervisor right before impounding it. You can also send an email to your regional/state director for clarification. They will usually forward these questions to the respective event supervisor.

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