Mission Possible C

[wbaker18]

Would a candle burning down count as a fuse? I have been working under the impression that the no fuse rule is in there for safety, and I cannot see any way a simple birthday candle with a controlled flame would count as unsafe.

[PM2017]

Would a candle burning down count as a fuse? I have been working under the impression that the no fuse rule is in there for safety, and I cannot see any way a simple birthday candle with a controlled flame would count as unsafe.

*sees post, then reads convo from less than a week ago*

Simply put, no real consensus...
EDIT: This was a very rude and poorly written post. I apologize for that. I will post something with more substance tomorrow morning. Need some sleep for astro olympiad in the morning tomorrow

[wbaker18]

Would a candle burning down count as a fuse? I have been working under the impression that the no fuse rule is in there for safety, and I cannot see any way a simple birthday candle with a controlled flame would count as unsafe.

*sees post, then reads convo from less than a week ago*

Simply put, no real consensus...

Haha my bad, I had the question and immediately popped onto the forum without reading any recent updates

EDIT in response to your edit: Trust me I've felt the same frustration many times. Your apology was not needed but much appreciated.

[Flavorflav]

I'd also agree with you on this point Scott. I feel like this rule is trying to prevent teams from just having a built in "wait" timer or a spring timer (as the 5th place Nats device had in the last year Mission was a Division C event), since this would make having an accurate time "too easy."

My feedback doesn't hold as much weight as the posts that I quoted -- since I'm relatively new to this type of thing -- but I agree with Scott here. The rules are almost asking you to use sensors. (or spend much more time, money and effort to get everything calibrated to perfection, which I don't think most teams can do).

Per Patrick Chalker the sensor is not an electrical timer but the chemical timer does not count for points. He also said that ESs should not double up on penalties and that the 150 penalty should be used instead of tiering.

Interestingly, my competition was held the day before you posted this and after discussing the issue with my assistants this is exactly what we decided to do. A fully electrical clock was tiered, but a clock which was chemical or mechanical but relied on an electrical sensor to terminate the action only lost the clock points, plus the 150 penalty. That does seem to be the most reasonable interpretation of the intent of the rules, but it is impossible to justify with any reading of the plain language of the rules.

[ScottMaurer19]

My feedback doesn't hold as much weight as the posts that I quoted -- since I'm relatively new to this type of thing -- but I agree with Scott here. The rules are almost asking you to use sensors. (or spend much more time, money and effort to get everything calibrated to perfection, which I don't think most teams can do).

Per Patrick Chalker the sensor is not an electrical timer but the chemical timer does not count for points. He also said that ESs should not double up on penalties and that the 150 penalty should be used instead of tiering.

Interestingly, my competition was held the day before you posted this and after discussing the issue with my assistants this is exactly what we decided to do. A fully electrical clock was tiered, but a clock which was chemical or mechanical but relied on an electrical sensor to terminate the action only lost the clock points, plus the 150 penalty. That does seem to be the most reasonable interpretation of the intent of the rules, but it is impossible to justify with any reading of the plain language of the rules.

I agree that the rules are not explicit in stating this and Chalker agreed. In Ohio and at Nationals what he told me is that this is how he intends to run the event for those of you who this impacts.

EDIT: I would just try to stay away from this in general to avoid any possible issues...

[Scooby]

I apologize if this has already been answered, but is using a typical sound card or sound device with a small battery in it a violation of the “having only one battery” bonus?

If so, how does one get around this?

Ya it violates the one battery bonus. Just use a resistor and hook it up to the single battery you're using.

[ScottMaurer19]

I apologize if this has already been answered, but is using a typical sound card or sound device with a small battery in it a violation of the “having only one battery” bonus?

If so, how does one get around this?

Ya it violates the one battery bonus. Just use a resistor and hook it up to the single battery you're using.

I was able to find voice controllers that take external power. You just need to regulate the voltage down to the proper level.

[unknownuser2]

Do all the materials need to be impounded? If I plan to use an ice cube in my device and the impound is the night before am I allowed to bring it to the testing portion or do I have to find a way to keep it cold.

[terence.tan]

Do all the materials need to be impounded? If I plan to use an ice cube in my device and the impound is the night before am I allowed to bring it to the testing portion or do I have to find a way to keep it cold.

you would have to find a way to impound the icecube

[PM2017]

Do all the materials need to be impounded? If I plan to use an ice cube in my device and the impound is the night before am I allowed to bring it to the testing portion or do I have to find a way to keep it cold.

you would have to find a way to impound the icecube

Maybe get a whole cooler full of ice, and just use one of the cubes at competition day.