Protein Modeling C

[Chemchic]

Also, is there a way to get cheaper materials for the pre-build model than the 24$ one on the website?
I'd like to keep that snazzy tuber thing. c:

Here is an interesting material that we REALLY like to use for this event. It is sturdy, and fairly easy to work with:

http://www.niteize.com/product/Gear-Tie-64.asp

You will have to figure out how to connect several of them together to be long enough- but we really like them. They have them at Home Depot if you want to take a look at them. Is it collectively going to be cheaper than the Tubers? Well, the shipping from 3D molecular designs is really pricey, so if you purchase at Home Depot it might save some bucks.

I just ordered from Amazon. 2-32" (4 tot in pkgs) ties for ~11.50 (used free shping of Prime). Got the lime green and might use the lime green duct tape for the joins. I hated the shipping charges for a piddly, trashed, manila envelope from a few years ago...where 3D Molecular Designs charges $18 shipping and $28 for a single long toober!!!...so I refuse to buy from them. As long as items are properly marked, it shouldn't matter from what material the backbone is made.

[JonB]

Agreed. We have used these in all of our proteins. They look pretty good and are fairly easy to work with. They can be painted and glued fairly easily. If you have the capability, create 3D printed joints to connect them together (basically like a sleeve that both ends of the "protein" can slide into).

[bernard]

Agreed. We have used these in all of our proteins. They look pretty good and are fairly easy to work with. They can be painted and glued fairly easily. If you have the capability, create 3D printed joints to connect them together (basically like a sleeve that both ends of the "protein" can slide into).

Would you happen to know the name of the product Chemchic is referring to in this reply? I am thinking about getting some materials for our team to practice with for the onsite build. Do those materials work just like MiniToobers, which by my understanding are very commonly used for the onsite build?

[JonB]

Agreed. We have used these in all of our proteins. They look pretty good and are fairly easy to work with. They can be painted and glued fairly easily. If you have the capability, create 3D printed joints to connect them together (basically like a sleeve that both ends of the "protein" can slide into).

Would you happen to know the name of the product Chemchic is referring to in this reply? I am thinking about getting some materials for our team to practice with for the onsite build. Do those materials work just like MiniToobers, which by my understanding are very commonly used for the onsite build?

http://www.niteize.com/product/Gear-Tie-64.asp

It would work well for practice.

[bernard]

Agreed. We have used these in all of our proteins. They look pretty good and are fairly easy to work with. They can be painted and glued fairly easily. If you have the capability, create 3D printed joints to connect them together (basically like a sleeve that both ends of the "protein" can slide into).

Would you happen to know the name of the product Chemchic is referring to in this reply? I am thinking about getting some materials for our team to practice with for the onsite build. Do those materials work just like MiniToobers, which by my understanding are very commonly used for the onsite build?

http://www.niteize.com/product/Gear-Tie-64.asp

It would work well for practice.

Are they as rigid as copper wire or MiniToobers? Can they be written on with permanent marker?

[JonB]

I would say just about as rigid as copper wire, maybe a little less. It can be written on with permanent marker (some might rub off).

[bernard]

I would say just about as rigid as copper wire, maybe a little less. It can be written on with permanent marker (some might rub off).

That sounds perfect! I've used copper wire and it can take quite some movement without deforming, which has happened to our MiniToobers occasionally. Thanks for the help!

[tylarthefarmer]

Hi guys,
If I wanted to model the DNA-binding domain of the FokI protein for use as a creative addition, what amino acid sequence would I isolate in Jmol in order to model said domain?

Ahaha I'll give you a hint: it's out there. Read journal articles, read databases, and you will find everything you need to know. Trust me, a few weeks ago I was banging my head on the wall because, as far as I could tell, no one gave a **** about the protein and there was no information on it but when you do the research and when you find it all out it's really, really awesome. Use the protein modeling website from the event sponsor, and they have all the information about the different domains, but it's no fun if you don't do the research yourself It's not hard to find, I promise. A carefully worded google search and some patience will do the trick.

Thank you! Just knowing the information exists is all I needed!

[Dhruvster]

Hey I had two questions
Has anyone who has done this event at nats know the time constraints that they give us there. Like the whole 50 min for both the test/onsite or are they split.
Also does anyone know how much the creative additions are actually worth. I've been to tournaments where they are 4/40 and other where they are about 16 out of 40, and the nationals rubric from 2012 has them being about 16/40? I can't seem to find a clear answer on this.
Thanks!

[alwaysfaith]

It's 50 min. for all onsite (building & protein). It's not 50 min. for the test and another 50 min. for the onsite build. Each addition is 4 points and you can get a max of 16 extra points.