Glue
Posted: August 29th, 2011, 7:55 am
Holds everything together.
Especially your fingersillusionist wrote:Holds everything together.
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Re: Glue
Posted: September 1st, 2011, 7:01 am
Re: Glue
Posted: September 1st, 2011, 7:16 am
Oh yeah, i've had a lot of experience with that 
Every year, when SO season starts, my fingers are always covered with glue...Always.
Every year, when SO season starts, my fingers are always covered with glue...Always.
Re: Glue
Posted: September 28th, 2011, 7:36 pm
One of the funniest moments of my sci oly life...
One of our members goes up to our coach with a finger touching his nose and says "Mr. L, I have a problem..." XD
But I digress, CA really hurts my hands after a while. And when you accidentally glue yourself it feels like liquid fire for a moment...
One of our members goes up to our coach with a finger touching his nose and says "Mr. L, I have a problem..." XD
But I digress, CA really hurts my hands after a while. And when you accidentally glue yourself it feels like liquid fire for a moment...
Re: Glue
Posted: September 29th, 2011, 11:43 am
Sounds like time for my annual lecture on glue.
If you are having problems with glue on your fingers, especially super glue, YOU ARE USING TOO MUCH!
If you must use from a bottle, make sure you use one of those with a VERY thin tip that lets out very small drops.
Better still, use a precision micro super glue applicator. Two pins stuck through a stick that come together to a point. Make a small puddle on some wax paper that's brightly marked somehow to show its your super glue spot. Pick up small parts of a drop with your applicator to apply to joints.
There is no place on a helicopter, bridge, tower, whatever that needs a whole drop at a time. Heck, I can build a helicopter with one large drop of glue total. Weigh a drop sometime, you can't afford much more than that in your whole weight budget!
And check http://www.soinc.org/sites/default/file ... weight.pdf its a paper cobbled from other SCIOLY posts I made on smart glue use for SO (and a lot of other uses). More detail there on a precision micro super glue applicator.
Jeff Anderson
Livonia, MI
PS, I have to admit, glue does generate some funny stories. You can be sure most of my recommendations were either learned or reinforced from my OWN mistakes.
If you are having problems with glue on your fingers, especially super glue, YOU ARE USING TOO MUCH!
If you must use from a bottle, make sure you use one of those with a VERY thin tip that lets out very small drops.
Better still, use a precision micro super glue applicator. Two pins stuck through a stick that come together to a point. Make a small puddle on some wax paper that's brightly marked somehow to show its your super glue spot. Pick up small parts of a drop with your applicator to apply to joints.
There is no place on a helicopter, bridge, tower, whatever that needs a whole drop at a time. Heck, I can build a helicopter with one large drop of glue total. Weigh a drop sometime, you can't afford much more than that in your whole weight budget!
And check http://www.soinc.org/sites/default/file ... weight.pdf its a paper cobbled from other SCIOLY posts I made on smart glue use for SO (and a lot of other uses). More detail there on a precision micro super glue applicator.
Jeff Anderson
Livonia, MI
PS, I have to admit, glue does generate some funny stories. You can be sure most of my recommendations were either learned or reinforced from my OWN mistakes.
Re: Glue
Posted: October 1st, 2011, 12:54 pm
Wow, thanks for that treasureload of links and information! And when I glue myself, it happens much like you described in your paper "in some convenient spot on the wax paper where you WON'T accidentally stick your hand (or anything else) and glue yourself to the building board".jander14indoor wrote:Sounds like time for my annual lecture on glue.
If you are having problems with glue on your fingers, especially super glue, YOU ARE USING TOO MUCH!
If you must use from a bottle, make sure you use one of those with a VERY thin tip that lets out very small drops.
Better still, use a precision micro super glue applicator. Two pins stuck through a stick that come together to a point. Make a small puddle on some wax paper that's brightly marked somehow to show its your super glue spot. Pick up small parts of a drop with your applicator to apply to joints.
There is no place on a helicopter, bridge, tower, whatever that needs a whole drop at a time. Heck, I can build a helicopter with one large drop of glue total. Weigh a drop sometime, you can't afford much more than that in your whole weight budget!
And check http://www.soinc.org/sites/default/file ... weight.pdf its a paper cobbled from other SCIOLY posts I made on smart glue use for SO (and a lot of other uses). More detail there on a precision micro super glue applicator.
Jeff Anderson
Livonia, MI
PS, I have to admit, glue does generate some funny stories. You can be sure most of my recommendations were either learned or reinforced from my OWN mistakes.
When working with glues in general, you say to join side grain to side grain and to keep joints tight. What's the best way to form tight joints before gluing? And I noticed that alot of the joints in my new helis are endgrain to side grain. Is this going to make a difference? I have four joints that are really loose, and they need to be strong and held at an angle, but when I tried gluing them together (it's end grain to side grain), it... well didn't really work. There's a lot of weight pulling at the joints even when the helicopter is resting. What can I do to make it stronger in my next helicopter? (The helicopter I'm describing was like a rough test run of an idea I had for the "chinook" style challenge. I haven't flown it yet because that joint is wobbly. It's currently being held in place with duct tape.)
Thanks a bunch~!
Re: Glue
Posted: October 2nd, 2011, 5:29 am
There's a limit on what you can due to strengthen end grain joints, but in these devices it can be hard to avoid. There are some things you can do.
End grain is bad because it tends to wick more glue away from the joint as the hollow structure of wood is meant to move sap. One thing you can do to help that is to seal the end grain before gluing. Dip the end grain piece just into the glue puddle and then quickly wipe off everything you can with a paper towel or rag. Let dry. Some glue will wick into the pores and seal them, sucking less glue away from the joint when you are ready to join pieces.
Tight joints come from careful cutting with SHARP tools. Sometimes I sand my joints, use fixtures, whatever. Practice. When fitting two pieces, if I don't have a convenient way to jig something, I'll lay the piece to be cut in place and cut along the joint by eye. Willingness to throw away pieces that just don't fit right.
A moment about knives. Dull knives do bad work and are unsafe. Be willing to discard and replace any knife that's not sharp. Its a foolish economy, one trip to urgent care will buy many THOUSANDS of replacement blades. Been there, done that, in front of a class of high school students no less!
A second moment about cutting. Many people don't understand how to cut. Balsa is soft, it will cut if you just push the knife through it or chop it. But it won't cut well. Look closely at the cross section of your cut wood some time. It will have a large indent, and then a torn appearance on the face of the cut if you push it through. Instead, slice or saw at the wood with your sharp knife sliding it along the edge. You'll get much cleaner, flatter cut faces that way and with MUCH less effort. Especially across the grain.
Hope that helps,
Jeff Anderson
Livonia, MI
End grain is bad because it tends to wick more glue away from the joint as the hollow structure of wood is meant to move sap. One thing you can do to help that is to seal the end grain before gluing. Dip the end grain piece just into the glue puddle and then quickly wipe off everything you can with a paper towel or rag. Let dry. Some glue will wick into the pores and seal them, sucking less glue away from the joint when you are ready to join pieces.
Tight joints come from careful cutting with SHARP tools. Sometimes I sand my joints, use fixtures, whatever. Practice. When fitting two pieces, if I don't have a convenient way to jig something, I'll lay the piece to be cut in place and cut along the joint by eye. Willingness to throw away pieces that just don't fit right.
A moment about knives. Dull knives do bad work and are unsafe. Be willing to discard and replace any knife that's not sharp. Its a foolish economy, one trip to urgent care will buy many THOUSANDS of replacement blades. Been there, done that, in front of a class of high school students no less!
A second moment about cutting. Many people don't understand how to cut. Balsa is soft, it will cut if you just push the knife through it or chop it. But it won't cut well. Look closely at the cross section of your cut wood some time. It will have a large indent, and then a torn appearance on the face of the cut if you push it through. Instead, slice or saw at the wood with your sharp knife sliding it along the edge. You'll get much cleaner, flatter cut faces that way and with MUCH less effort. Especially across the grain.
Hope that helps,
Jeff Anderson
Livonia, MI
Re: Glue
Posted: February 22nd, 2012, 4:45 pm
For applying the covering to the rotors, is there a significant difference in terms of weight or strength between 3M Super 77 or 3M General Purpose 45 spray adhesives? I remeber reading an article for Wright Stuff that recommended the Super 77, which is quite a bit more expensive.
Re: Glue
Posted: February 22nd, 2012, 7:52 pm
Use whatever is convenient. The idea is to use as little as possible with whatever glue so the covering just holds in flight. Less glue is less weight.
Jeff Anderson
Livonia, MI
Jeff Anderson
Livonia, MI
Re: Glue
Posted: February 23rd, 2012, 12:05 pm
I've only used super 77 and 75 (I think?) in the past, and the nice thing about them is that the cans will last awhile, and the stay tacky for a long time, giving you a lot of wiggle room when covering. You just have to be careful to store and use it, or else the nozzle can get clogged and make the spray almost impossible to use. Also, it's nasty stuff, so you might want to use a mask when using the spray.