Mission Possible C

[nicholasmaurer]

I've submitted about 8 FAQs and only had 2 answered. I did not receive email confirmation on any of the ones submitted so that isn't unusual (although I remember getting email confirmation on FAQs 2013-14 season). FAQs can take a long time to be answered and or may not be answered at all. I have no idea if there is an issue with submission (I submit all of mine the same way and some get answered some don't) so I would just wait another week or two and then resubmit.

I'd recommend waiting a little longer than that. From what I've heard, average answering time for a FAQ to get considered, answered, and posted is around a month.

I have been waiting over two months for some clarifications, and I am an event supervisor. Most importantly, I really want to know whether they would consider a passive sensor to be an electrically powered action. If so, then any sensor which is turned on at the beginning of device operation is going to tier you by 3i.

I wouldn't construe a passive sensor as an action... These sensors wouldn't be listed independently on the ASL - they would be incorporated as an action when they are triggered. If you had a sensor that needs to be "activated" (e.g. have a bright light shone on it) for longer than 10 seconds, that would clearly violate 3i.

[ScottMaurer19]

A ton of FAQs just came out.

[SluffAndRuff]

Wow - so timer cannot be ended by an electrical sensor.

Is there still no clarification thus far of whether a microcontroller can be used for multiple actions? State ES said it could at an informal building open house, but no state clarification either.

[ScottMaurer19]

Wow - so timer cannot be ended by an electrical sensor.

Is there still no clarification thus far of whether a microcontroller can be used for multiple actions? State ES said it could at an informal building open house, but no state clarification either.

There is now an FAQ on that.

[dragonfruit35]

I'd recommend waiting a little longer than that. From what I've heard, average answering time for a FAQ to get considered, answered, and posted is around a month.

I have been waiting over two months for some clarifications, and I am an event supervisor. Most importantly, I really want to know whether they would consider a passive sensor to be an electrically powered action. If so, then any sensor which is turned on at the beginning of device operation is going to tier you by 3i.

I would hope that an electrically powered timer is different than an electrically powered action... If an electrically powered sensor isn't allowed to be passively turned on then that would make the event significantly more difficult (and expensive) not to mention ruin many competitiors current build plans and possibly even built devices.

I don't think that was the intention of the rules for many reasons: one of the actions requires the use of a photocell and making the photocell not passively turned on would be extremely difficult, the IR sensor action would also be hard to not have as a passive sensor or have the IR emitter on continuously, switches could then be seen as passively powered sensors because they rely electricity, etc.I would also argue that a passive sensor is not an action that takes longer than 10 seconds. The action would start when the sensor is tripped because up until that point the sensor is a static object with current running through it (a simple resistor) or a switch (which doesn't have electricity powering it until it is tripped). But maybe I'm wrong.

I agree- the rule covers electrical “timers” which take longer than 10 seconds, and most likely a passive sensor would not take 10 seconds to activate the next task, which I think is what the time is restricted on. I’m guessing that the point of this rule is to prevent people from having an extremely easy method to make a timer (one-shot 555, etc).

[cpagan]

Question: For Start action, can 2 magnets be simultaneously removed? Or must it be only one??

[Kyanite]

Question: For Start action, can 2 magnets be simultaneously removed? Or must it be only one??

You could probably connect two to a string to pull them off at the same time, they may count the difference between pulling each one off manually as a touching of the device while in action.

[dragonfruit35]

A ton of FAQs just came out.

Do you guys think that having the timer complete a circuit would count as a sensor (activating the water task)?

[ScottMaurer19]

A ton of FAQs just came out.

Do you guys think that having the timer complete a circuit would count as a sensor (activating the water task)?

See the chemical timer forum for discussion on this. The general consensus atm is that a switch/closing a circuit would most likely not count as a sensor. However, without a rule clarification, it is impossible to tell.

[SluffAndRuff]

When it states in 5.i. "devices that fail to operate autonomously after starting" does this mean that adjusting the device gets you tiered?? I'm fairly sure it doesn't but I'm confused as to what the intent is.