Designs

[chalker]

"A single Action or component must contribute to only one scoreable Transfer."
1. Can we not utliize the same transfer twice? Like utilizing the same transfer, but rebuilt and in a different location. Would this be considered the same action being used twice to a scoreable transfer even though it is a different component and acts at a different time and in a different transfer? Or does action mean action on the Task Sequence List.

2. Does it also mean that if we use some component (the exact same, nonduplicated component) twice, the second time we can just disregard it as an energy form? Or can we still incorporate it into a ETS and count it as long as it involves some other unique energy form? For instance: an E-M component is used in the first transfer (The first transfer is E-M-E-M), than in the second transfer it is utilized again to form an (E-M)-E-M-E-M. The first E-M was used in the second transfer was also used previously in the first transfer. However, if it is not counted as an energy from, they are both considered the same ETSs E-M-E-M, even though they are clearly different ETSs.

3. Also, I'm not exactly sure how to interpret this jug rule. We cut down a jug without a handle and integrated it into our device. It says you can modify the outside... so I don't see why it needs to have a handle?

1. I think that was more directed at having a the same transfer being used multiple times in the same place, like having an elevator bring up golf balls many times in a run. As for energy transfers, you can have the same sequence, but then only one would count for the points.

2. With this, I would say that you could reuse the component, as long as it was rebuilt and had other things in the transfer. Rebuilding it keeps the device "safer", in such that there are no questions of parallel tasks or loops of any sort. Less questionable. As for having other things in the transfer, if you don't, again, the second one wouldn't count for points.

3. Submit an FAQ...? If lots of people ask they're probably more likely to answer it, and lots of us want to know. I haven't come across a good way to answer that one.

As usual, this is not the place for official comments or clarifications.....

Regarding the 'single action = 1 transfer', the main purpose of that rule is to prevent things like having someone light a match and claim it's a M->T->C->VL transfer all in one small package. It's ok to have multiple discrete T->VL actions for example, such as using a match one place and a candle in another.

[goodcheer]

FAQ has been submitted. In the mean time, we have found half-gallon jugs (with handle, cut down to 10/11 cm) work good. They are smaller than the gallon jugs, although bigger than soda bottles.

How about 1 quart milk jugs, if you are looking for something smaller?[/quote]

It would work in my opinion, but the FAQ about the jug having a handle is what is hanging some of us up.

[SWAnG]

Are you saying that we can't have two matches in two different ETSs? They must be discrete and be a candle and match instead even though they have the same function?

[chalker]

Are you saying that we can't have two matches in two different ETSs? They must be discrete and be a candle and match instead even though they have the same function?

Not exactly. I think it's a grey area (hence should be avoided) whether a event supervisor would allow you to have 2 matches in different ETSs, which are initiated exactly the same way, and allow both to count as M->T transfers, since they are essentially the 'same action'.

[torqueburner]

How about 1 quart milk jugs, if you are looking for something smaller?

It would work in my opinion, but the FAQ about the jug having a handle is what is hanging some of us up.

The 1 quart milk jugs we are using do have a handle. . .

[fanjiatian]

Since the ETS is initiated by the process of the golf ball moving upwards, does that mean that during the process the golf ball can trigger an ETS and that while the ETS is going the golf ball may still be making it's way to the jug?

Also, do all balls have to start underneath the jug or do they just have to end up lower than the jug at one point in time?

I believe you can still have the golf ball falling into the jug when the next sequence is started, so long as t he thing triggering the next step is also making the ball fall.

The golf balls must start entirely underneath the jug before going into the jug. So make sure your lowest jug is tall enough to allow for a golf ball to be under it!

I'm still confused about the definition of "process" after reading the clarifications Sorry if this is extremely obvious
Let's say you have a pulley system such that a golf ball is in a container, and that container goes up to a certain point before it pivots to release a golfball. Lets also assume the ETS will be triggered by a switch positioned at the top of the pulley. Does the ball itself have to hit the switch? Or can the container containing the ball hit the switch? Either way the switch would be triggered at the same time and after the ball starts dropping into the jug; just a question of whether "process" entails the ball itself, or whether it encompasses anything related to that action.

This clarification didn't help at all lol. http://soinc.org/node/1455

[sjwon3789]

So how do you find the milk jugs? Aren't they all huge??

My friend said we can just cut a water bottle and that'll be considered as a jug?
Because after the clarification, it does say "beverage."

[SWAnG]

Are you saying that we can't have two matches in two different ETSs? They must be discrete and be a candle and match instead even though they have the same function?

Not exactly. I think it's a grey area (hence should be avoided) whether a event supervisor would allow you to have 2 matches in different ETSs, which are initiated exactly the same way, and allow both to count as M->T transfers, since they are essentially the 'same action'.

I feel like this is a vital part of the rules for an ETS. So far every judge has accepted it when I've utilized 2 matches or lights in different ETSs. So maybe it's acceptable? They said addition reactions were acceptable on the FAQs and I think they sort of implied that the same action could be utilized twice.

[SWAnG]

1. if we utilize a component multiple times, can it be counted for points the first time we use it? Or will it never be able to count towards a transfer.

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[skyman]

Do you think a Piezo buzzer would be acceptable for a buzzer that does not consist of an integrated circuit? The only three electronic components are a resistor, transistor and an inductor.