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I think I would suggest for every team wanting to be very competitive to go for the bonus. Without it, you are unable to beat any team that gets a run at the same speed as yours within 100 cm, even if you hit 0. I think that's how it's calculated.

Thank you, XJcwolfyX, for correcting me.
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A Person wrote:I think I would suggest for every team wanting to be very competitive to go for the bonus. Without it, you are unable to beat any team that gets a run at the same speed as yours within 10 cm, even if you hit 0. I think that's how it's calculated.
Exactly. I believe the bonus is there to give teams an advantage if it is done well, but not to penalize teams that are unable to figure out a reliable way to make the turning work.
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XJcwolfyX wrote:Has anybody been doing the bonus? We can't figure out and were wondering if other people are having issues. D:
XJcwolfyX, what types of issues are you encountering? If you are a bit more specific, we will be able to help you better. You can also private message me if you are more comfortable with that.
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A Person wrote:I think I would suggest for every team wanting to be very competitive to go for the bonus. Without it, you are unable to beat any team that gets a run at the same speed as yours within 10 cm, even if you hit 0. I think that's how it's calculated.
Isn't is 100 cm...as it is 1 point per centimeter.
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XJcwolfyX wrote:
A Person wrote:I think I would suggest for every team wanting to be very competitive to go for the bonus. Without it, you are unable to beat any team that gets a run at the same speed as yours within 10 cm, even if you hit 0. I think that's how it's calculated.
Isn't is 100 cm...as it is 1 point per centimeter.
Ah, I thought it was one point per 0.1 cm. So that makes it one meter vs touching the wall would tie, if the one meter one went around the bucket? I think I was thinking about time, where 10 seconds of someone going around a bucket beats out someone not going around the bucket. Thanks, it would be bad if I went around telling everyone it was 10 cm and they decided it was worth to not go around the bucket.
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Bonus is 100 points.
Distance is measured in 0.1cm (mm)
Therefore, 100 divided by 0.1 = 10 cm, not 1 meter.
So, go for the bonus if you can do less than 10 cm better than a straight run at the target point.
Your time score will be a small amount large because of the slightly greater distance the curve is than the straight line.
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retired1 wrote:Bonus is 100 points.
Distance is measured in 0.1cm (mm)
Therefore, 100 divided by 0.1 = 10 cm, not 1 meter.
So, go for the bonus if you can do less than 10 cm better than a straight run at the target point.
Your time score will be a small amount large because of the slightly greater distance the curve is than the straight line.
(kinda nitpicking here, but 100 divided by 0.1 is 1000 :D) anyways, distance is measured by 1 centimeter. the rules clearly state that with the example near the end ;) Otherwise, the bonus would be worth next to nothing, relatively (in relation to the time score)
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Ok, I think I'm more confused than ever now.

As an example, a team has two launches, the first a straight launch and the second a "bucket" launch. Assuming no penalties and the times are the same (4 s) for both launches, Is the following logic correct:

Launch1: 20 cm
Points: 5000- (4s*10 + 20) = 4940

Launch2: 120 cm
Points: 5000- (4s*10 + 120 + (-100)) = 4940

If so, then shouldn't the question on whether to go for the bucket launch be: Can I make a bucket attempt without incurring a penalty and get no more than a meter farther away than our first launch?
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retired1 wrote:Bonus is 100 points.
Distance is measured in 0.1cm (mm)
Therefore, 100 divided by 0.1 = 10 cm, not 1 meter.
So, go for the bonus if you can do less than 10 cm better than a straight run at the target point.
Your time score will be a small amount large because of the slightly greater distance the curve is than the straight line.
It's measured in .1, but the value of .1 cm is .1 point, as how one cm is one point. Note the example that the rules give.
joeyjoejoe wrote:Ok, I think I'm more confused than ever now.

As an example, a team has two launches, the first a straight launch and the second a "bucket" launch. Assuming no penalties and the times are the same (4 s) for both launches, Is the following logic correct:

Launch1: 20 cm
Points: 5000- (4s*10 + 20) = 4940

Launch2: 120 cm
Points: 5000- (4s*10 + 120 + (-100)) = 4940

If so, then shouldn't the question on whether to go for the bucket launch be: Can I make a bucket attempt without incurring a penalty and get no more than a meter farther away than our first launch?
I believe your math is correct. And I think your question is correct, as well. As long as you stay in that meter range, you run would do better than if you hadn't gone for the bonus. Or anyone else that didn't go for the bonus.

However, remember that you are competing with people that may for got the bucket; don't assume that going for the bucket gives a really nice bonus, because that bonus anyone can get.
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I stand corrected.

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