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Where do you guys learn all of this information? This event seems super broad, and it's difficult to know what's exactly needed to be learned and where to find the necessary info

hippohungry wrote:Where do you guys learn all of this information? This event seems super broad, and it's difficult to know what's exactly needed to be learned and where to find the necessary info

Its actually not that broad. The learning curve is very steep, however. Best way to learn the info is by identifying what you need to know via the rules and by looking through 2017 and 2018 practice tests and then using wikipedia, nasa, and other various websites.

windu34 wrote:

hippohungry wrote:Where do you guys learn all of this information? This event seems super broad, and it's difficult to know what's exactly needed to be learned and where to find the necessary info

Its actually not that broad. The learning curve is very steep, however. Best way to learn the info is by identifying what you need to know via the rules and by looking through 2017 and 2018 practice tests and then using wikipedia, nasa, and other various websites.

A lot of tests, in my experience, start with highly similar matching sections on remote sensing vocabulary, so if you learn it from one test, you have it forever. Although the satellite list is different this year, last year they would also all have similar enough questions on the A train, so whatever this year's version of that is, again learning it once you'll know it. Image interpretation is also hard to specifically learn, and the most straightforward way I found to get better at it was to try identifying images and see what I missed, which again just means practicing. Also, especially now that there are like 4 sheets of notes allowed, things like vocab, formulas, statistics, can all easily fit on your notes so you don't have to memorize them, and once they're on your notes once, they're on them forever (barring whack accidents with Google Docs idk)!

knottingpurple wrote:

windu34 wrote:

hippohungry wrote:Where do you guys learn all of this information? This event seems super broad, and it's difficult to know what's exactly needed to be learned and where to find the necessary info

Its actually not that broad. The learning curve is very steep, however. Best way to learn the info is by identifying what you need to know via the rules and by looking through 2017 and 2018 practice tests and then using wikipedia, nasa, and other various websites.

A lot of tests, in my experience, start with highly similar matching sections on remote sensing vocabulary, so if you learn it from one test, you have it forever. Although the satellite list is different this year, last year they would also all have similar enough questions on the A train, so whatever this year's version of that is, again learning it once you'll know it. Image interpretation is also hard to specifically learn, and the most straightforward way I found to get better at it was to try identifying images and see what I missed, which again just means practicing. Also, especially now that there are like 4 sheets of notes allowed, things like vocab, formulas, statistics, can all easily fit on your notes so you don't have to memorize them, and once they're on your notes once, they're on them forever (barring whack accidents with Google Docs idk)!

The MIT remote sensing was especially difficult. In fact, I saw somewhere else on the forums that it took around 30% to medal in the event. It was exclusively composed of various charts, graphs, and satellite images followed by around 10 free response questions pertaining to the pictures. It was easily the best remote test I've seen since I began the event, as it wasn't a typical invitational test asking about random esoteric vocab terms and acronyms. Instead, it really tested your understanding of remote sensing and different climate systems.

Justin72835 wrote:

knottingpurple wrote:

windu34 wrote: Its actually not that broad. The learning curve is very steep, however. Best way to learn the info is by identifying what you need to know via the rules and by looking through 2017 and 2018 practice tests and then using wikipedia, nasa, and other various websites.

A lot of tests, in my experience, start with highly similar matching sections on remote sensing vocabulary, so if you learn it from one test, you have it forever. Although the satellite list is different this year, last year they would also all have similar enough questions on the A train, so whatever this year's version of that is, again learning it once you'll know it. Image interpretation is also hard to specifically learn, and the most straightforward way I found to get better at it was to try identifying images and see what I missed, which again just means practicing. Also, especially now that there are like 4 sheets of notes allowed, things like vocab, formulas, statistics, can all easily fit on your notes so you don't have to memorize them, and once they're on your notes once, they're on them forever (barring whack accidents with Google Docs idk)!

The MIT remote sensing was especially difficult. In fact, I saw somewhere else on the forums that it took around 30% to medal in the event. It was exclusively composed of various charts, graphs, and satellite images followed by around 10 free response questions pertaining to the pictures. It was easily the best remote test I've seen since I began the event, as it wasn't a typical invitational test asking about random esoteric vocab terms and acronyms. Instead, it really tested your understanding of remote sensing and different climate systems.

I was very surprised that scores were that low. I didn't think it was that much harder than last year's nationals test, and honestly expected to score closer to around 65 or so (rather than ~45).

knottingpurple wrote:

windu34 wrote:

hippohungry wrote:Where do you guys learn all of this information? This event seems super broad, and it's difficult to know what's exactly needed to be learned and where to find the necessary info

Its actually not that broad. The learning curve is very steep, however. Best way to learn the info is by identifying what you need to know via the rules and by looking through 2017 and 2018 practice tests and then using wikipedia, nasa, and other various websites.

A lot of tests, in my experience, start with highly similar matching sections on remote sensing vocabulary, so if you learn it from one test, you have it forever. Although the satellite list is different this year, last year they would also all have similar enough questions on the A train, so whatever this year's version of that is, again learning it once you'll know it. Image interpretation is also hard to specifically learn, and the most straightforward way I found to get better at it was to try identifying images and see what I missed, which again just means practicing. Also, especially now that there are like 4 sheets of notes allowed, things like vocab, formulas, statistics, can all easily fit on your notes so you don't have to memorize them, and once they're on your notes once, they're on them forever (barring whack accidents with Google Docs idk)!

Where do you find the images? I know NASA has some on their website, but are there more resources for that?

hippohungry wrote:

knottingpurple wrote:

windu34 wrote: Its actually not that broad. The learning curve is very steep, however. Best way to learn the info is by identifying what you need to know via the rules and by looking through 2017 and 2018 practice tests and then using wikipedia, nasa, and other various websites.

A lot of tests, in my experience, start with highly similar matching sections on remote sensing vocabulary, so if you learn it from one test, you have it forever. Although the satellite list is different this year, last year they would also all have similar enough questions on the A train, so whatever this year's version of that is, again learning it once you'll know it. Image interpretation is also hard to specifically learn, and the most straightforward way I found to get better at it was to try identifying images and see what I missed, which again just means practicing. Also, especially now that there are like 4 sheets of notes allowed, things like vocab, formulas, statistics, can all easily fit on your notes so you don't have to memorize them, and once they're on your notes once, they're on them forever (barring whack accidents with Google Docs idk)!

Where do you find the images? I know NASA has some on their website, but are there more resources for that?

A couple days ago whythelongface and I were reading https://directory.eoportal.org/web/eopo ... /suomi-npp and it had so many images and we had so much fun although I was probably really tired because I don't remember anything at all; I'm sure there are similar things for all the other satellites. You have to scroll down a little bit because at first it's just background but then you hit the actual satellite imagery and it's especially interesting because there are images of, say, Hurricane Harvey, and it's just a different perspective on something that actually is relevant to everyday life.

I can't find an up-to-date list of the A-Train satellites, the most recent I've found is from 2014. :/ Does anyone know a good resource for that?

Alex-RCHS wrote:I can't find an up-to-date list of the A-Train satellites, the most recent I've found is from 2014. :/ Does anyone know a good resource for that?

I think the last change to the A train lineup was indeed 2014? Relative times of the different satellites there are a lot of different sources saying different things so idk what source you should use but the list of what order they're in is probably right.

Is there a difference between energy flux and radiative energy flux? I was looking at a CERES image and I'm not sure whether CERES images measure energy flux or radiative energy flux. If someone can elaborate, and relate to information regarding CERES images, that would be greatly appreciated.