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Re: Politics
Posted: September 29th, 2019, 8:34 pm
by Things2do
In general, I do agree with D.S.B.
However, to pick out one particular topic for now:
What caused the deviations in the past, and how's the current situation different?
Aside from the general consensus of the current scientific community firmly pulling in that direction, that is.
https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/abrupt-climat ... l%20Cycles
https://www.usgs.gov/faqs/how-long-can- ... e_products
http://www.iceandclimate.nbi.ku.dk/rese ... ial_cycle/
If all else fails, the replies should be entertaining...
Re: Politics
Posted: September 30th, 2019, 4:22 am
by JoeyC
Wait... so what’s the point of the above links? We know it’s natural for the globe to heat up again, but even if it would have started naturally warming our added carbon emissions won’t be making it much better given we’ve pushed it past the PETM’s carbon ppm. Anthropogenic carbon is a major factor for climate change, a factor that cannot be ignored.
However, more than that we should not be denying climate change but instead adapting; a heated ocean creates more 5 class hurricanes, increased carbon in the ocean will make it more acidic and endanger all that use calcium in it (aka quite a few key components). As a DP scholar for 4 years, I know.
While we know that in the past the Earth was at these levels, we should also acknowledge that in the past humans were either not around or not around in force as we are today. If we do not start adapting we may not be in force as we are today in the future.
If that didn’t answer your question I have no idea what the question was asking.
Re: Politics
Posted: September 30th, 2019, 5:59 am
by Unome
JoeyC wrote: ↑September 30th, 2019, 4:22 am
Wait... so what’s the point of the above links? We know it’s natural for the globe to heat up again, but even if it would have started naturally warming our added carbon emissions won’t be making it much better given we’ve pushed it past the PETM’s carbon ppm. Anthropogenic carbon is a major factor for climate change, a factor that cannot be ignored.
However, more than that we should not be denying climate change but instead adapting; a heated ocean creates more 5 class hurricanes, increased carbon in the ocean will make it more acidic and endanger all that use calcium in it (aka quite a few key components). As a DP scholar for 4 years, I know.
While we know that in the past the Earth was at these levels, we should also acknowledge that in the past humans were either not around or not around in force as we are today. If we do not start adapting we may not be in force as we are today in the future.
If that didn’t answer your question I have no idea what the question was asking.
It's worth noting that a hotter Earth would also begin to thaw Siberian permafrost, opening up vast new areas for farmland.
Re: Politics
Posted: September 30th, 2019, 8:21 am
by JoeyC
But that would give Russia more land and ruin the Siberian gulag memes
Yeah but the immense amount of desertification in other regions is also worth noting - especially as there are much more people reliant on that land than people relaint on Siberia
Re: Politics
Posted: September 30th, 2019, 8:25 am
by DatSciolyBoi
Unome wrote: ↑September 30th, 2019, 5:59 am
JoeyC wrote: ↑September 30th, 2019, 4:22 am
Wait... so what’s the point of the above links? We know it’s natural for the globe to heat up again, but even if it would have started naturally warming our added carbon emissions won’t be making it much better given we’ve pushed it past the PETM’s carbon ppm. Anthropogenic carbon is a major factor for climate change, a factor that cannot be ignored.
However, more than that we should not be denying climate change but instead adapting; a heated ocean creates more 5 class hurricanes, increased carbon in the ocean will make it more acidic and endanger all that use calcium in it (aka quite a few key components). As a DP scholar for 4 years, I know.
While we know that in the past the Earth was at these levels, we should also acknowledge that in the past humans were either not around or not around in force as we are today. If we do not start adapting we may not be in force as we are today in the future.
If that didn’t answer your question I have no idea what the question was asking.
It's worth noting that a hotter Earth would also begin to thaw Siberian permafrost, opening up vast new areas for farmland.
*also releasing a millennia worth of disease*
Re: Politics
Posted: September 30th, 2019, 9:13 am
by EastStroudsburg13
It is not so much the temperature itself, but the rate of increase, that is pretty much a dead giveaway that human civilization has influenced the warming of Earth. Denying this is tantamount to willful ignorance.
Re: Politics
Posted: September 30th, 2019, 9:34 am
by TheCrazyChemist
JoeyC wrote: ↑September 30th, 2019, 8:21 am
But that would give Russia more land and ruin the Siberian gulag memes
Without Stalin and gulag memes life wouldn't be worth laughing for.
Re: Politics
Posted: September 30th, 2019, 9:53 am
by DatSciolyBoi
TheCrazyChemist wrote: ↑September 30th, 2019, 9:34 am
JoeyC wrote: ↑September 30th, 2019, 8:21 am
But that would give Russia more land and ruin the Siberian gulag memes
Without Stalin and gulag memes life wouldn't be worth laughing for.
Now gulag people can plant crops yeet
Off to gulag for hard farming you go
Re: Politics
Posted: September 30th, 2019, 5:22 pm
by MadCow2357
Jesus I don't think I've ever met a person who does scioly and doesn't believe in Climate Change...
Re: Politics
Posted: September 30th, 2019, 6:13 pm
by DatSciolyBoi
MadCow2357 wrote: ↑September 30th, 2019, 5:22 pm
Jesus I don't think I've ever met a person who does scioly and doesn't believe in Climate Change...
T2D is not denying climate change, only acknowledging the fact that it has existed before we were around and asking us how humans have affected or worsened it.