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Creationist127 wrote: February 3rd, 2020, 8:45 am
jsegal wrote: February 3rd, 2020, 8:07 am Can you make a freedom flight monoplane turn with just rudder or do you have to use a shim. I am having trouble understanding what a shim does can anyone inform me. Thanks for the help!
As far as I know, the shim works best. To use one, you put it between the wing mount and the motor stick, behind one of the wing posts, so that it warps the wing, making one side of the wing tilted higher than the other. To my knowledge, this makes one side rise more than the other in the air, making the plane turn. To change direction, put the shim under the other wing post and tilt the rudder in the other direction.
This is wrong use of the shim.

The plane is turned with rudder (primarily rudder on the kits this year, though thrust line and stab tilt may help on a self-design). If the plane rolls in and does not climb (either races in a circle with the inboard wing low, or even spirals into the ground), you need the shim to raise the LE of the inboard wing a mm or two to level the plane and convert the racing into climb. Again, a variable to keep track of!

I team I helped via text and video in Southern NM also won their regional this weekend. They had a plane that they could get trimmed for low power flight, but it would not climb. After many exchanged videos, last Thursday they added shim, and the plane climbed to the ceiling in Regionals. They were the only plane to climb reasonably at all, and they won hands down.

Last year at Nationals our plane nearly hit the wall. After half a lap, it rolled in and side-skidded for about 30 feet, then righted itself. A small touch of left wing wash in would have solved that issue. It only presented at the highest torque levels.

So don't use shim to turn the plane. Use rudder. get it turning and flying level on low power. Then if it rolls inward at higher power, add inboard wing shim to the LE.

This is caused because rudder yaws the plane, causing the outer wind to present to the oncoming air, and lifts the outer wing more than the inner wing. This gets worse at higher speed.

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Re: Wright Stuff C

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So I have been using the shim wrong this whole time??? :o
Then why does my plane work pretty well...?
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Umich Invitational thread is kind of dead, so I'll ask here; does anyone know how high the Wright stuff ceiling is at the invitational this year?
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Chameleon02 wrote: February 3rd, 2020, 10:57 am Umich Invitational thread is kind of dead, so I'll ask here; does anyone know how high the Wright stuff ceiling is at the invitational this year?
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As you probably already know, the teams I coach will also attend the U of M Invitational. We have been asking the Invite organizers the same question and have received no ceiling height or room dimension information.

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Hi,

Does anybody have any tips for my plane?

(Right circle) It climbs really well, it often hits the ceiling in a gym. At regionals I needed to lay flat on the floor to get it to not hit the ceiling. But it Either 1. Doesn’t recover well when it hits the ceiling and stalls 2. If it doesn’t hit the ceiling, even when it’s nice and high in the air, it’ll lose power, it’s circle will tighten, and it will stall and go nose up and fall to the ground.

My rubber has a lot of slack and is wound to it’s almost maximum torque, but I was thinking of elongating the length of the rubber so the strength of the initial climb (its a very good climb) stays constant throughout the flight.
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scioly2345 wrote: February 4th, 2020, 7:31 am Hi,

Does anybody have any tips for my plane?

(Right circle) It climbs really well, it often hits the ceiling in a gym. At regionals I needed to lay flat on the floor to get it to not hit the ceiling. But it Either 1. Doesn’t recover well when it hits the ceiling and stalls 2. If it doesn’t hit the ceiling, even when it’s nice and high in the air, it’ll lose power, it’s circle will tighten, and it will stall and go nose up and fall to the ground.

My rubber has a lot of slack and is wound to it’s almost maximum torque, but I was thinking of elongating the length of the rubber so the strength of the initial climb (its a very good climb) stays constant throughout the flight.
Sounds like you have very limited stability. A ceiling touch with poor recovery is a strong sign in this direction.

You did not give any specs on your plane (CG, decalage, wash-in, etc) so I hesitate to suggest changes. However, if pushed, I would say move the CG forward and add a bit of decalage to increase stability.

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coachchuckaahs wrote: February 4th, 2020, 7:44 am
scioly2345 wrote: February 4th, 2020, 7:31 am Hi,

Does anybody have any tips for my plane?

(Right circle) It climbs really well, it often hits the ceiling in a gym. At regionals I needed to lay flat on the floor to get it to not hit the ceiling. But it Either 1. Doesn’t recover well when it hits the ceiling and stalls 2. If it doesn’t hit the ceiling, even when it’s nice and high in the air, it’ll lose power, it’s circle will tighten, and it will stall and go nose up and fall to the ground.

My rubber has a lot of slack and is wound to it’s almost maximum torque, but I was thinking of elongating the length of the rubber so the strength of the initial climb (its a very good climb) stays constant throughout the flight.
Sounds like you have very limited stability. A ceiling touch with poor recovery is a strong sign in this direction.

You did not give any specs on your plane (CG, decalage, wash-in, etc) so I hesitate to suggest changes. However, if pushed, I would say move the CG forward and add a bit of decalage to increase stability.

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There’s no left wing wash in (turn is controlled by an adjustable rudder), and the CG is currently a little behind the middle of the wing sled.
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scioly2345 wrote: February 4th, 2020, 7:55 am
coachchuckaahs wrote: February 4th, 2020, 7:44 am
scioly2345 wrote: February 4th, 2020, 7:31 am Hi,

Does anybody have any tips for my plane?

(Right circle) It climbs really well, it often hits the ceiling in a gym. At regionals I needed to lay flat on the floor to get it to not hit the ceiling. But it Either 1. Doesn’t recover well when it hits the ceiling and stalls 2. If it doesn’t hit the ceiling, even when it’s nice and high in the air, it’ll lose power, it’s circle will tighten, and it will stall and go nose up and fall to the ground.

My rubber has a lot of slack and is wound to it’s almost maximum torque, but I was thinking of elongating the length of the rubber so the strength of the initial climb (its a very good climb) stays constant throughout the flight.
Sounds like you have very limited stability. A ceiling touch with poor recovery is a strong sign in this direction.

You did not give any specs on your plane (CG, decalage, wash-in, etc) so I hesitate to suggest changes. However, if pushed, I would say move the CG forward and add a bit of decalage to increase stability.

Coach Chuck
There’s no left wing wash in (turn is controlled by an adjustable rudder), and the CG is currently a little behind the middle of the wing sled.
If you can supply: decalage angle, measured amount of rudder, circle size, character of initial climb ( banking 30 degrees, not banking, climbs 15 ft in first circle, etc.), propeller type, propeller pitch, rubber length and weight, number of max turns, number of backoff turns, max torque, launch torque, exact location of CG (ex. 1.5” from wing TE, we can give more specific help.

With the info you gave, I would suggest moving the CG forward in 1/8” increments with test flights for each move. More forward CG will likely reduce climb rate and improve ceiling hit recovery.

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Hello everyone,
I had a question about propellers. I know that the 8cm diameter is tiny, so I was thinking of modifying my propeller by adding more surface area to the propellers. However, I was wondering how much it would help my plane by increasing the surface area of the wing.
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mchoi595 wrote: February 5th, 2020, 2:56 pm Hello everyone,
I had a question about propellers. I know that the 8cm diameter is tiny, so I was thinking of modifying my propeller by adding more surface area to the propellers. However, I was wondering how much it would help my plane by increasing the surface area of the wing.

I think you mean “...increasing the surface area of the blade.”

Best way to determine if larger propeller blades helps is to build and try. That’s what my teams do. Have an idea? Build it and try it.

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