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bernard wrote:

futaba wrote:Hello,

Have you had a chance to revise your PDF of the board set up? Also, does anyone know when the official one will be posted? we really need one to ensure that the boards are being set up correctly at each competition.

Thanks,

Layouts are posted on the event page of the national website: http://www.soinc.org/robot_arm_c

Thank you Bernard for making them!

What type of claw designs are worth considering?

Is Robot Arm running at all regional competitions because I didn't see it on the Eastern Long Island regional schedule?

antoine123 wrote:Is Robot Arm running at all regional competitions because I didn't see it on the Eastern Long Island regional schedule?

It's a national event, most regionals will probably hold it, all will probably try, but sometimes regional schedules are limited because of resources or time and they can't hold every event.

So I am wondering what it means by the second tie breaker "Greatest number of times fully supported by goal cartons" Is this tie breaker for people who did not get the maximum score or am I interpreting it differently?

harik2000 wrote:So I am wondering what it means by the second tie breaker "Greatest number of times fully supported by goal cartons" Is this tie breaker for people who did not get the maximum score or am I interpreting it differently?

If I understand your question correctly, yes. For the full scores, all dice will be in optimal positions (six facing up) and all items will be in cartons so only the third tiebreaker applies for full scores since time isn't calculated in scores.

bernard wrote:

harik2000 wrote:So I am wondering what it means by the second tie breaker "Greatest number of times fully supported by goal cartons" Is this tie breaker for people who did not get the maximum score or am I interpreting it differently?

If I understand your question correctly, yes. For the full scores, all dice will be in optimal positions (six facing up) and all items will be in cartons so only the third tiebreaker applies for full scores since time isn't calculated in scores.

So the items in the carton will exclude the dice right? There will be no additional points given to a dice if it is in a egg carton if that is even possible?

harik2000 wrote:So the items in the carton will exclude the dice right? There will be no additional points given to a dice if it is in a egg carton if that is even possible?

For the tie, dice in the carton are included in the count, but no points are awarded for dice in an egg carton, which are are correct about. I made an incorrect statement when I said that the maximum score would involve all items in the cartons. The maximum score can be achieved if the dice are not in cartons.

So If I want to max out score and win tiebreakers, the dice need to have the 6 up and be inside the carton?

As usual, not official answer, ask on national site if you really need one.

Relating to device score, the rules say:
7.e. 6 points for each die sitting flat completely within the Competition Area that has an even number facing upwards at the end of the Competition Time.

I don't see any requirement to be in the egg carton or not. Though I'd find it harder as an ES to determine they were sitting flat if they were in the egg carton than if they were out.

Tie breaker one, yep all with the six up.
Hmm, tie breaker two, max items fully supported by the egg carton. I'll just point out that para 5.d. starts: "Scoreable items will be..." and then goes on to describe where the ping pong balls, pencils and legos are placed, but does not mention the dice. Para 5.e describes the dice placement, but never calls them items.

This may be hairsplitting, but seems to me a literal reading of the rules would say the dice do NOT count towards the second tie breaker. Reminder, that's an UNOFFICIAL opinion, but I think a correct reading of the rules.

Jeff Anderson
Livonia, MI