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Alex-RCHS wrote:
Very nice looking build! Do you mind posting scores?

I’ve personally been using larger wheels and a much smaller lever arm...
I didn't have time today to get any data, but offhandedly I was getting around 10 seconds to get to the first mark and 12 for the last mark, my best cup distance was around 5 cm, and my best vehicle distance (from the 2 m mark) was about 4 cm. That would give me an optimal score of ~23. I’m sure I can get that down with more testing, but I might need to re-design to improve speed. Larger wheels and a smaller arm so more force can be exerted by the mousetraps with less string is definitely ideal
retired1 wrote:4 mm threaded brass rod works quite nicely.
Question, since your pulley/axle appears to be the same size on both sides of the pin, how are you accommodating the difference in forward motion distance and the reverse motion distance?
Taking the thread off to wind each side separately is a royal pain.
Cut down wine bottle corks work well to have a larger "pulley" of various sizes. You can put them on a threaded rod (with washers and nuts), load it in a drill motor and have a poor mans lathe.
To set the nut, I simply subtract the cup distance from the target distance, And set the nut at the result. The nut advances initially, but then goes back and breaks when the car reverses. It's not shown in this pic, but I 3d printed a spool with a series of threaded holes, and I'm using a screw as the pin.
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Hi, I am totally new to this event, and building events in general. Can somebody please explain what the different threaded rods are for? I've also been reading the wiki and looking online, but I do not understand the braking and reversing system. Can somebody please explain?

I would also be extremely grateful if anybody could provide other resources to check out or advice, I'm a little lost here. Thank you!
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alli_burnett wrote:Hi, I am totally new to this event, and building events in general. Can somebody please explain what the different threaded rods are for? I've also been reading the wiki and looking online, but I do not understand the braking and reversing system. Can somebody please explain?

I would also be extremely grateful if anybody could provide other resources to check out or advice, I'm a little lost here. Thank you!
I'll start by giving some descriptions of the parts involved and how they relate to one another. If at any point you can't follow, you should try looking up pictures to help you visualize what I'm describing.

A threaded rod is a regular rod with threads wrapped around it in a spiral, kind of like a really long screw. A wingnut is a regular not with little "wings" sticking out from the side of it. Basically, its a hollow cylinder where the inside of the cylinder has threads.

In a wingnut stopping system, we put a wingnut on the threaded rod. Since the wingnut is also threaded, to move a wingnut back and forth along a threaded rod you have to hold the rod still and spin the wingnut (assuming the wingnut and rod are the same size). However, if we make the rod part of the axle, then the rod will spin as the wheels move. This means that if we now hold the wingnut still, and let the rod spin, it will have the same affect: The wingnut will move back and forth along the rod (meaning instead of the rod being still and the wingnut spinning, the rod is spinning and the wingnut is still. Of course, it's all relative, but this is an easy way to look at it).

But how do you hold the wingnut still? If you just put it on the rod and let the rod spin, the wingnut will just spin along with the rod and it will not move back and forth along the rod. To keep the wingnut from rotating, we put a restraining bar next to the axle so that when the wingnut tries to spin, one of its "wings" hits the bar, and the wingnut cannot spin. Since the wingnut is not spinning, but its threads are still lined up with the threads of the rod (which is spinning) the wingnut will instead move sideways along the length of the bar. It's similar, in some ways, to how an archimedes screw works.

Why do we want the wingnut to move back and forth along the bar? This is useful because once the wingnut reaches a fixed point in the rod (for example, and washer that we glue tight to the rod, or some other solutions) then the wingnut can no longer move down the rod. At the same time, the restraining bar prevents it from spinning either. For this reason, the wingnut cannot move at all, the axle completely locks up, and the car stops.

The best way to understand this is to get a hold of a wingnut and threaded rod and play around with it yourself, but I'm sure there are youtube videos as well.

Good luck.
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The best way to understand this is to get a hold of a wingnut and threaded rod and play around with it yourself, but I'm sure there are youtube videos as well.

Good luck.
See here: Youtube video on wingnut breaks
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Are aluminum threaded rods a viable option? (I would use titanium but those seem quite expensive.)

Also, do I need a different type of bearings to connect to the threaded rods?

Thanks.
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PM2017 wrote:Are aluminum threaded rods a viable option? (I would use titanium but those seem quite expensive.)

Also, do I need a different type of bearings to connect to the threaded rods?

Thanks.
Aluminum is totally fine. The increase in performance that you will see by using titanium instead is <5-10% I would think, an amount that is quite negligible for nearly every competition except maybe competitive states/invites and nationals.
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PM2017 wrote:Are aluminum threaded rods a viable option? (I would use titanium but those seem quite expensive.)

Also, do I need a different type of bearings to connect to the threaded rods?

Thanks.
Aluminum is totally fine. The increase in performance that you will see by using titanium instead is <5-10% I would think, an amount that is quite negligible for nearly every competition except maybe competitive states/invites and nationals.
Why would titanium be better than aluminum?

EDIT: Discovered that aluminum threaded rod bends a good amount
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What kind of mousetrap would work best for this event?
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Has anyone found a good size threaded rod to go with an r188 bearing? I can't seem to find anything that fits with the 3/16 inner diameter.
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cubes wrote:What kind of mousetrap would work best for this event?

From what I've read, of the two most common brands, Tomcat and Victor, Victors are more consistent, but Tomcats are more powerful.
PM2017 wrote:Has anyone found a good size threaded rod to go with an r188 bearing? I can't seem to find anything that fits with the 3/16 inner diameter.
I personally think 3/16in is a bit tricky because that's such a rare size to find. Since it's so close to either 1/8in or 1/4in, I'd recommend switching to those because you can find materials compatible with them much more easily.
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