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Re: Boomilever B/C

Posted: March 4th, 2013, 7:53 pm
by noobforce
thsom wrote:Hey guys, how can I make the base for my boomilever lighter? My base is currently...3-4 grams... Waaaayyyy too excessive... I use one layer of a 3/16 balsa sheet and 2 layers (on either side of the balsa) of 1/16 bass sheet. this base is about 6 cm by 3 cm... This is currently what holds my boom weight from breaking 10 grams...
Curve your tension members inward so that the part where your tensions members touch the base can become smaller. This will allow you to reduce the width of the base.

Re: Boomilever B/C

Posted: March 5th, 2013, 5:23 am
by Balsa Man
noobforce wrote:
thsom wrote:Hey guys, how can I make the base for my boomilever lighter? My base is currently...3-4 grams... Waaaayyyy too excessive... I use one layer of a 3/16 balsa sheet and 2 layers (on either side of the balsa) of 1/16 bass sheet. this base is about 6 cm by 3 cm... This is currently what holds my boom weight from breaking 10 grams...
Curve your tension members inward so that the part where your tensions members touch the base can become smaller. This will allow you to reduce the width of the base.
I would seriously caution against that approach. Yes, you want the attachment plate/block as small as you can. Yes, with many/most "conventional" designs (i.e., 2 compression members, with the outsides 5cm apart, so the load block sits on them), that means distal ends 5cm apart. but building a bend into tension members is asking for trouble, and means the tension member(s) will need to be heavier than they would if done without a built-in bend.
The tensile force on the tension member(s) will act to pull them straight. As you get toward full load, there's a lot of pull- tensile force - at work. Adding bend to tension will reduce the tension load the member can carry. The only way around that is to make it bigger or denser, to get higher tensile strength. Also, at one end or the other, or both, as the force tries to straighten the t-member out, that will put a "peeling" force on the glue joint - not just pulling along the t-member, but pulling the t-member away fron the glue joint. Glue joint will be much weaker against peeling than in pure (straight) shear.

However, if you angle the t-members so they can run straight- from the narrow separation at the wall to the wider separation at the distal end, you avoid those problems. Yes, to do that, you have to have angled holes/slots/faces in the wall block/plate, and angled pieces on the compression members for the straight t-members to be glued to.

For a wall block/plate - it only needs to be, and you want it only to be big enough to hold the t-member(s) right next to the washer. Think about it - there is a lever effect at work. The bolt holds the center of the block/plate down - acts as a fulcrum. if there is a tension member- let's look at one side - out from the fulcrum(bolt) by just the width of the washer (3/8ths"+), it takes a lot of force- pull- on that t-member to bend the wall block/plate. If you move that t-member out 3cm (1/2 your 6cm width), it takes much less force to bend the wall attachment piece.

The other thing to consider is thickness of that wall piece. With what you describe, it's only 5/16ths" thick. The glue area you have to hold against the t-member(s) being pulled out is limited by that thickness. Thin also bends easier than thicker. If you were to go to like 1/2" thick, with end-grain orientation- grain running perpendicular to the wall, with thin skin wall side, and outside side - 1" (2.5cm) square would be more than enough. "Thin skin" meaning 1/64th - if tou can't get 1/64th, sand down some 1/32nd... It would be a lot stiffer, a lot lighter, and give you a lot more glue strength....

Re: Boomilever B/C

Posted: March 5th, 2013, 3:31 pm
by soccerkid812
Does anyone know if about 1g per 45cm, 3/32" by 3/32" bass wood for each tension members will carry to full load?

Re: Boomilever B/C

Posted: March 5th, 2013, 3:50 pm
by Balsa Man
soccerkid812 wrote:Does anyone know if about 1g per 45cm, 3/32" by 3/32" bass wood for each tension members will carry to full load?
Toward the light end of the range, so, probably

Re: Boomilever B/C

Posted: March 5th, 2013, 4:03 pm
by UQOnyx
thsom wrote:Hey guys, how can I make the base for my boomilever lighter? My base is currently...3-4 grams... Waaaayyyy too excessive... I use one layer of a 3/16 balsa sheet and 2 layers (on either side of the balsa) of 1/16 bass sheet. this base is about 6 cm by 3 cm... This is currently what holds my boom weight from breaking 10 grams...
Are you sure you are making the base right too? You can have a super heavy base but if it is not properly made, it will do nothing.
I used Aia's guide http://scioly.org/wiki/index.php/Aia%27 ... Guide#Base to make the base. What you are doing is attaching two triangles to the end of the base as a wedge from the back with a smaller hole in the front.(Think of it as a way too big ball inside a bottle with a small hole so it cant get out, forming an anchor from the back) Also you might want to read the other topic Building a Boomilever in the same forum because it has a lot of tips on making it.

Re: Boomilever B/C

Posted: March 7th, 2013, 1:13 pm
by mrburrito
My boomilever has a score of 3012.4, but you can't have the pictures. Haha

Re: Boomilever B/C

Posted: March 7th, 2013, 2:12 pm
by fanjiatian
mrburrito wrote:My boomilever has a score of 3012.4, but you can't have the pictures. Haha
Lies... jk
Kudos

Re: Boomilever B/C

Posted: March 7th, 2013, 4:40 pm
by UQOnyx
OMG PLEASE CAN I PLEASE SEE THE THE PICTURES I WILL BUY THEM OMG.

:roll:

I find that hard to believe but hey, you never know. Amazing job if you did though.

Re: Boomilever B/C

Posted: March 7th, 2013, 4:49 pm
by Jdogg
mrburrito wrote:My boomilever has a score of 3012.4, but you can't have the pictures. Haha
That would mean you would have to have a boom that weighed less than 5 grams and held 15kg. I don't think that's physically possible (even for B division)..... maybe you got the scoring mixed up??

Re: Boomilever B/C

Posted: March 7th, 2013, 6:35 pm
by mrburrito
No actually, it is less than five grams, and doesn't hold all fifteen kilograms.