Pennsylvania 2019

[Anomaly]

They haven't beaten Springhouse, but then again, no PA B team has.

what about eagle view invitational

[TheCrazyChemist]

They haven't beaten Springhouse, but then again, no PA B team has.

what about eagle view invitational

I'm gonna go out on a leg and say that not many teams were stacked at Eagle View, especially Springhouse.

[Anomaly]

They haven't beaten Springhouse, but then again, no PA B team has.

what about eagle view invitational

I'm gonna go out on a leg and say that not many teams were stacked at Eagle View, especially Springhouse.

yeah, Springhouse's A team was at Harvard that weekend according to results, so that's their B team. I was just trying to disprove East's statement

[TheCrazyChemist]

what about eagle view invitational

I'm gonna go out on a leg and say that not many teams were stacked at Eagle View, especially Springhouse.

yeah, Springhouse's A team was at Harvard that weekend according to results, so that's their B team. I was just trying to disprove East's statement

Honestly, I think that it didn't really make sense for Springhouse A to go to Harvard. It was pretty far away and it wasn't super competitive. I understand why you would drive all the way to Cornell, but Harvard? Basically, Springhouse and Bay Academy were there. You had Lyme Old Lyme too, and they were definitely good this year, but they were kind of inconsistent. So, you drive all the way to Massachusetts just to compete against Bay Academy ( and Lyme Old Lyme if you think they're good competition). It just doesn't really make sense to me.

[catch-22]

4.) Harlan Rowe - Spectacular performances so far this year. This team went crazy this year and is definitely in contention for a top 3 spot if the state tournament goes well for them. I'm less inclined to believe that they can get top 2 since this is their first year of performing at such a high level

3.) Cumberland Valley - The Harlan Rowe of Div C

This is actually a good way of putting it. Both teams have had amazing break-out years, and are definitely among the best teams in the state in their respective divisions. Both teams looked great both at invies and in their regional competitions. However, I would say that CV has a better shot of nats than Harlan Rowe (not that their nats bids are at all related) due to their performances at invitationals this season.

Both teams attend fairly easy regional tournaments (despite that, 18 golds is amazing and I give all the credit in the world to Harlan Rowe for all of their hard work this season) so regional results can't really be viewed comparatively to states.

However, (and please correct me if I'm wrong) Harlan Rowe has been beaten by both Bala and Springhouse at their invies this season (don't think they've competed against SSA yet), while the only team that CV has lost to this season was WWPS, who, quite obviously won't be at PA states.

Because of this, it seems as though Harlan Rowe defintely has some ground to make up, but it won't be impossible for them to advance if they have a great day at States. Oppositely, CV has looked strong and solid throughout their short invy season. They haven't, to my knowledge, lost to any PA teams, even beating a stacked Lower Merion, who has been a powerhouse all season. However, these invies were months ago, and obviously every team has improved since then. I just we could see either of these teams (Harlan Rowe and CV) against the other top teams in PA, so we could see how they are improving relatively to their competition.

Anyways, these are just my thoughts. Best of luck to both teams at States! Make some history!

(It's been since 2002 that a non-SEPA team made nats in div c, and since 2006 that a NE team advanced in div b, so it would pretty groundbreaking if either team did manage to make nats. Numbers aside, it would be pretty cool to see a new team advance in both divisions.)

*Just a note, SSA beat Harlan Rowe at Cornell by 1 placement

Other than that, what you've said makes a lot of sense to me and I completely agree. Good luck to Cumberland Valley and Harlan Rowe at states!

Just to clarify some things, Harlan Rowe beat Bala Cynwyd at Rustin, and then lost to Bala at Garnet. They faced SSA at Cornell, where SSA beat Harlan by 24 points. They haven't beaten Springhouse, but then again, no PA B team has.

Thanks for the clarifications, I was unaware that Harlan Rowe had attended Cornell, and was speaking solely about the Rustin and GV invies.

I guess I misread the numbers of the Rustin stacked scores. There was a one point difference between Harlan Rowe and Bala at Rustin (which is nothing at all). However, Bala's victory over Harlan at GV is slightly more telling.

I completely agree with you about how close States is going to be due to the thin margins at every tournament. With the exception of Springhouse, no team from PA (b or c) has truly dominated national-level this year. It's going to be so close this year, and the sheer volatility is both exciting and very anxiety-inducing.

As for your comment on CV, it's honestly hard to say where exactly the stand compared to teams such as Lower Merion, Harriton, Conestoga, or Rustin. They've never to my knowledge competed against the latter 3 teams, and the last time they went against LM was over two months ago (and it is very safe to say that both teams have improved since them, though we have no idea how LM or any of the other SEPA teams are doing relative to CV right now, which further increases the uncertainty of States this year.) While LM did have a very impressive showing at SOUP this year, CV did not attend, so we have nothing to compare that to. It would have been nice to see these teams (CV, LM, Rustin, Harriton, and Conestoga) go up against each other before States to make more accurate predictions from, but then again, it all adds to the excitement of States this year. (Only 16 more days!)

[EastStroudsburg13]

Ah, yes. You are correct in that Bala beat Harlan by one point using stacked scores. I had just glanced at the school score I used, which was the average between stacked score and best team score. Either way, Harlan has definitely proven that they're talented, it'll just come down to how hard they've been working compared to the other teams.

[MadCow2357]

I'm gonna go out on a leg and say that not many teams were stacked at Eagle View, especially Springhouse.

yeah, Springhouse's A team was at Harvard that weekend according to results, so that's their B team. I was just trying to disprove East's statement

Honestly, I think that it didn't really make sense for Springhouse A to go to Harvard. It was pretty far away and it wasn't super competitive. I understand why you would drive all the way to Cornell, but Harvard? Basically, Springhouse and Bay Academy were there. You had Lyme Old Lyme too, and they were definitely good this year, but they were kind of inconsistent. So, you drive all the way to Massachusetts just to compete against Bay Academy ( and Lyme Old Lyme if you think they're good competition). It just doesn't really make sense to me.

[EastStroudsburg13]

We've cracked 40 votes in both divisions! Still time to get predictions in!

Division B (40 total votes)
1. Springhouse - 98.5 (36 1st place votes, 2 2nd place votes)
2. Shady Side - 88.3 (4, 26)
3. Bala Cynwyd - 80.3 (0, 8)
4. Harlan Rowe - 69.5 (0, 4)
5. Eagle View - 54.8
6. Strath Haven - 50.5
7. Garnet Valley - 35.3
8. Orefield - 21.0
9. G.A. Stetson - 17.8
10. Abington Heights - 14.3

Others receiving votes: Franklin Regional (5.3), Hershey (2.3), Good Hope (2.3), Whitehall Coplay (2.0), Welsh Valley (2.0), Park Forest (2.0), North Pocono (1.0), J.R. Fugett (0.8), Winchester Thurston (0.8), Laurel (0.8), Waynesboro Area (0.8), Wilkes-Barre Academy (0.3)

Division C (42 total votes)
1. Harriton - 95.7 (27, 12)
2. Lower Merion - 91.0 (15, 24)
3. Bayard Rustin - 76.2 (0, 4)
4. Cumberland Valley - 59.0 (0, 1)
5. Conestoga - 54.0
6. Penncrest - 52.1
7. Shady Side - 39.0 (0, 1)
8. Parkland - 23.8
9. Northwestern Lehigh - 16.2
10. North Pocono - 14.3

Others receiving votes: Garnet Valley (10.2), Abington Heights (3.8), Perkiomen Valley (3.3), North Penn (2.6), Stroudsburg (1.9), Hershey (1.7), Mt. Lebanon (1.7), Kutztown Area (1.4), State College Area (0.7), Franklin Regional (0.5), Quaker Valley (0.5), Shipley (0.2)

Also, here are the lists of people who have submitted, for people to confirm if they have submitted or not (Guests marked with asterisks):

• Both (30): 21Cabbage, Anomaly, antoine_ego, catch-22, Cow481, CrayolaCrayon, DiseaseMan03, dxu46, EastStroudsburg13, East's Computer*, Flyingfish, Froggie, jimmy-bond, js18, kate!, Lavarball, malikaow1004, NotNewtAnymore, Paypog, pb5754[], Pettywap, sciolyperson1, sciolyrules107, Selundar, Tailsfan101, Tendan, waffletree, WhoKnows, zandra, zsg11
• B Only (10): <blank>*, builderguy135, Galahad, IHateClouds, Jakeismyname*, jslocum, supernumerary07, TechMaster*, vive, ziqingliu
• C Only (12): 1507*, elim5397, gillio, jaggie34, klastyioer, limke, Molybon, PA*, rs11, snappybabby, TheSquaad, vstorm34

Predictions will still be accepted through Friday, April 26! I will probably be posting my algorithm output sometime this week, and then my personal predictions a few days after that. Also, good job guys in making this the most active state thread in the past few years.

Links to submit here:
2019 PA B Division Predictions
2019 PA C Division Predictions

[Paypog]

Also, good job guys in making this the most active state thread in the past few years.

YES! Let's go PA!! (10 days to go peeps)

[lavarball]

Also, good job guys in making this the most active state thread in the past few years.
But this chat was dead for 5 days and I got bored