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Re: 2020 National Tournament: North Carolina State University
Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:03 pm
by builderguy135
MacintoshJosh wrote: ↑Sat Mar 07, 2020 2:55 pm
MitchinhoGray wrote: ↑Sat Mar 07, 2020 1:23 pm
This is complete speculation, but it may be possible that the state sends the team with the lowest score across any regional competition in their state. This has never happened with scioly, but I personally experienced it with a different competition last year. Last year, it was a snowstorm that prevented the state competition from taking place, so state organizers just looked at regional scores and gave our team (historically second best) the national bid.
Again, this wasn't for scioly, so this is just speculation.
Which state were you Mitchinho?
He said that this isn't scioly, and his profile says NJ.
Re: 2020 National Tournament: North Carolina State University
Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2020 4:41 pm
by TheWood
I don’t think they’ll let anybody from SoCal compete. If the health risk of having people compete at their state tournament was too great, the health risk of allowing a team from that region compete is likely too large as well.
Re: 2020 National Tournament: North Carolina State University
Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2020 5:30 pm
by SilverBreeze
TheWood wrote: ↑Sat Mar 07, 2020 4:41 pm
I don’t think they’ll let anybody from SoCal compete. If the health risk of having people compete at their state tournament was too great, the health risk of allowing a team from that region compete is likely too large as well.
It's not region-specific, I believe, just a Caltech policy of closing down public activities to avoid community spread and SoCal SciOly agreeing with the advice. The risk is more from a large gathering of people than infected competitors, and having Nats carries that risk regardless of whether a SoCal team attends. As a reminder, not everyone from an infected region is ill.
Re: 2020 National Tournament: North Carolina State University
Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2020 5:51 pm
by smayya337
MitchinhoGray wrote: ↑Sat Mar 07, 2020 1:23 pm
This is complete speculation, but it may be possible that the state sends the team with the lowest score across any regional competition in their state. This has never happened with scioly, but I personally experienced it with a different competition last year. Last year, it was a snowstorm that prevented the state competition from taking place, so state organizers just looked at regional scores and gave our team (historically second best) the national bid.
Again, this wasn't for scioly, so this is just speculation.
I really hope SOINC doesn't run it like that—whoever has the easiest regional basically has a free pass to nats in that scenario, and that's not necessarily the best team in the state.
Re: 2020 National Tournament: North Carolina State University
Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2020 7:14 pm
by CPScienceDude
I'm thinking the bids will go to the next state in line to get a second.
Re: 2020 National Tournament: North Carolina State University
Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2020 7:40 pm
by Unome
smayya337 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 07, 2020 5:51 pm
MitchinhoGray wrote: ↑Sat Mar 07, 2020 1:23 pm
This is complete speculation, but it may be possible that the state sends the team with the lowest score across any regional competition in their state. This has never happened with scioly, but I personally experienced it with a different competition last year. Last year, it was a snowstorm that prevented the state competition from taking place, so state organizers just looked at regional scores and gave our team (historically second best) the national bid.
Again, this wasn't for scioly, so this is just speculation.
I really hope SOINC doesn't run it like that—whoever has the easiest regional basically has a free pass to nats in that scenario, and that's not necessarily the best team in the state.
SO Inc is unlikely to be directly involved in how a state chooses their representative.
CPScienceDude wrote: ↑Sat Mar 07, 2020 7:14 pm
I'm thinking the bids will go to the next state in line to get a second.
This is my prediction as well. I can't think of the last time something similar happened - I've heard only vague stories so I would guess it's been at least 10 years since a state has canceled.
Re: 2020 National Tournament: North Carolina State University
Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2020 8:06 pm
by TheSquaad
Unome wrote: ↑Sat Mar 07, 2020 7:40 pm
smayya337 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 07, 2020 5:51 pm
MitchinhoGray wrote: ↑Sat Mar 07, 2020 1:23 pm
This is complete speculation, but it may be possible that the state sends the team with the lowest score across any regional competition in their state. This has never happened with scioly, but I personally experienced it with a different competition last year. Last year, it was a snowstorm that prevented the state competition from taking place, so state organizers just looked at regional scores and gave our team (historically second best) the national bid.
Again, this wasn't for scioly, so this is just speculation.
I really hope SOINC doesn't run it like that—whoever has the easiest regional basically has a free pass to nats in that scenario, and that's not necessarily the best team in the state.
SO Inc is unlikely to be directly involved in how a state chooses their representative.
CPScienceDude wrote: ↑Sat Mar 07, 2020 7:14 pm
I'm thinking the bids will go to the next state in line to get a second.
This is my prediction as well. I can't think of the last time something similar happened - I've heard only vague stories so I would guess it's been at least 10 years since a state has canceled.
So Texas likely gets its second bid back? That'd be quite interesting.
Re: 2020 National Tournament: North Carolina State University
Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2020 8:11 pm
by bernard
TheSquaad wrote: ↑Sat Mar 07, 2020 8:06 pm
Unome wrote: ↑Sat Mar 07, 2020 7:40 pm
smayya337 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 07, 2020 5:51 pm
I really hope SOINC doesn't run it like that—whoever has the easiest regional basically has a free pass to nats in that scenario, and that's not necessarily the best team in the state.
SO Inc is unlikely to be directly involved in how a state chooses their representative.
CPScienceDude wrote: ↑Sat Mar 07, 2020 7:14 pm
I'm thinking the bids will go to the next state in line to get a second.
This is my prediction as well. I can't think of the last time something similar happened - I've heard only vague stories so I would guess it's been at least 10 years since a state has canceled.
So Texas likely gets its second bid back? That'll be interesting.
None of this is "likely" as the decision rests somewhere between the state and national organizations, and we have limited "data" to guide our predictions for what their decision may be.
Re: 2020 National Tournament: North Carolina State University
Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2020 8:26 pm
by Unome
bernard wrote: ↑Sat Mar 07, 2020 8:11 pm
TheSquaad wrote: ↑Sat Mar 07, 2020 8:06 pm
Unome wrote: ↑Sat Mar 07, 2020 7:40 pm
SO Inc is unlikely to be directly involved in how a state chooses their representative.
This is my prediction as well. I can't think of the last time something similar happened - I've heard only vague stories so I would guess it's been at least 10 years since a state has canceled.
So Texas likely gets its second bid back? That'll be interesting.
None of this is "likely" as the decision rests somewhere between the state and national organizations, and we have limited "data" to guide our predictions for what their decision may be.
That's a good point. I've seen several people over the years say that, theoretically, a state chooses their representative in whatever manner they so choose*, but as bernard points out there's almost never (possibly actually never, I'm not certain) been cases where this was put into practice, so everything is guesswork at this point from the outside perspective.
*it's a thing that gets brought up on occasion, for those reading this who haven't read the forums archive in detail
Re: 2020 National Tournament: North Carolina State University
Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2020 8:46 pm
by sciolyperson1
Assuming NorCal does not cancel, will SoCal's second bid go NorCal?