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sciolyperson1 wrote:

cbrant554 wrote:

sciolyperson1 wrote:
The jumps would be way less consistent.

You could just use a funnel

The ball has a lot more positions it could be in the moment the ball leaves the jump. If it was a track, however, the ball could only be in one position: where the ball only contacts the two points of the track.

That would be the risk of using the tube unless you could perfect the positioning of the ball but if you could make the bigger jumps some teams will take that

My students are just back from a invitationals. They are demoted to Tier 3 because of "non-impound device." They did impound their devices. However they are told "1) they didn't have and data/notes to impound; 2) they didn't fill out some paperwork." From what I read in the rule, data/note are not required to impound if a team is not planning to use them during competition. Also I am not aware of any paperwork that is required during impound. Am I missing anything or the event host is just being unrealistic.

fxsandiego wrote:My students are just back from a invitationals. They are demoted to Tier 3 because of "non-impound device." They did impound their devices. However they are told "1) they didn't have and data/notes to impound; 2) they didn't fill out some paperwork." From what I read in the rule, data/note are not required to impound if a team is not planning to use them during competition. Also I am not aware of any paperwork that is required during impound. Am I missing anything or the event host is just being unrealistic.

Regarding #1, Roller Coaster doesn't have a log so you are correct on that count, since obviously a team without tools or spare parts wouldn't be tiered for not impounding them - and even then, penalties for a log generally do not involve tiering. Regarding #2, if your competitors just dropped off a device without talking to the event supervisor it's possible that they missed it, but I can't think of a situation off the top of my head that would require paperwork during impound. I'm less confident about this one though.

Unome wrote:

fxsandiego wrote:My students are just back from a invitationals. They are demoted to Tier 3 because of "non-impound device." They did impound their devices. However they are told "1) they didn't have and data/notes to impound; 2) they didn't fill out some paperwork." From what I read in the rule, data/note are not required to impound if a team is not planning to use them during competition. Also I am not aware of any paperwork that is required during impound. Am I missing anything or the event host is just being unrealistic.

Regarding #1, Roller Coaster doesn't have a log so you are correct on that count, since obviously a team without tools or spare parts wouldn't be tiered for not impounding them - and even then, penalties for a log generally do not involve tiering. Regarding #2, if your competitors just dropped off a device without talking to the event supervisor it's possible that they missed it, but I can't think of a situation off the top of my head that would require paperwork during impound. I'm less confident about this one though.

At LISO they made us sign a sheet of paper basically saying that our device had been impounded and was within specs.

Unome wrote:

fxsandiego wrote:My students are just back from a invitationals. They are demoted to Tier 3 because of "non-impound device." They did impound their devices. However they are told "1) they didn't have and data/notes to impound; 2) they didn't fill out some paperwork." From what I read in the rule, data/note are not required to impound if a team is not planning to use them during competition. Also I am not aware of any paperwork that is required during impound. Am I missing anything or the event host is just being unrealistic.

Regarding #1, Roller Coaster doesn't have a log so you are correct on that count, since obviously a team without tools or spare parts wouldn't be tiered for not impounding them - and even then, penalties for a log generally do not involve tiering. Regarding #2, if your competitors just dropped off a device without talking to the event supervisor it's possible that they missed it, but I can't think of a situation off the top of my head that would require paperwork during impound. I'm less confident about this one though.

Most invies I've gone (like LISO, which I went to last Saturday) make you write your team number, team name, and names of the people on the checklist sheet. (https://www.soinc.org/sites/default/fil ... listv1.pdf) Usually the supervisors have all the sheets, so that when they compete, all they do is find the sheet that corresponds to the team, and fill out the numbers.

fxsandiego wrote:My students are just back from a invitationals. They are demoted to Tier 3 because of "non-impound device." They did impound their devices. However they are told "1) they didn't have and data/notes to impound; 2) they didn't fill out some paperwork." From what I read in the rule, data/note are not required to impound if a team is not planning to use them during competition. Also I am not aware of any paperwork that is required during impound. Am I missing anything or the event host is just being unrealistic.

Wasn't a log required last year? Might have been using an old form? Would hope not. That aside... how were the coasters? What was the distance and time of winner?

I don't think they required a log last year, and they're probably not releasing the scores for roller.

So how is the supervisor supposed to choose the target time? Random number generator?

I think that they can pick whatever time they want.

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