Towers B/C

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IDon'tKnowMyName wrote:What are your diagrams, scores, and ideas. Tell me all of your ideas. Just because. Our team's tower's mass is 1 kilogram and my height is 80 cm. Our first tower could hold 3 kilograms. We got 20th at regionals last year. It was an improvement from our last place out of the 25 teams. Hopefully, we can get first this year at regionals. So watch out!! - Anonymous
How is your tower 1kg, I seriously don't understand. You can have a solid block of a tower that is 80 cm high, for about 4 pounds per cubic foot (of balsa wood)... Should hold anything. Given your parameters and your weight, no matter how you build it, basically, it should hold all. I think this is a troll. 3kg/1kg of weight, 3 points. 20th regionals must have been the last place. If there weren't tiered teams. Plus... I have no idea how you would weigh that tower...
You underestimate what happens outside of the rather elite sphere of Scioly.org. Though 1 kg is very heavy, I've certainly seen teams with tower masses upwards of 500 grams.
Point is, 1kg weight tower gets u at max 17 points.... which is (no offense) nothing.. and saw a hole through a solid block of wood and what you get is 1 kg.
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Random Human wrote:
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Random Human wrote: How is your tower 1kg, I seriously don't understand. You can have a solid block of a tower that is 80 cm high, for about 4 pounds per cubic foot (of balsa wood)... Should hold anything. Given your parameters and your weight, no matter how you build it, basically, it should hold all. I think this is a troll. 3kg/1kg of weight, 3 points. 20th regionals must have been the last place. If there weren't tiered teams. Plus... I have no idea how you would weigh that tower...
You underestimate what happens outside of the rather elite sphere of Scioly.org. Though 1 kg is very heavy, I've certainly seen teams with tower masses upwards of 500 grams.
Point is, 1kg weight tower gets u at max 17 points.... which is (no offense) nothing.. and saw a hole through a solid block of wood and what you get is 1 kg.
Ya, if you can point me to a team that scored lower than 17 points at an competition (not practice or for fun) I will be amazed!!
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Random Human wrote: How is your tower 1kg, I seriously don't understand. You can have a solid block of a tower that is 80 cm high, for about 4 pounds per cubic foot (of balsa wood)... Should hold anything. Given your parameters and your weight, no matter how you build it, basically, it should hold all. I think this is a troll. 3kg/1kg of weight, 3 points. 20th regionals must have been the last place. If there weren't tiered teams. Plus... I have no idea how you would weigh that tower...
You underestimate what happens outside of the rather elite sphere of Scioly.org. Though 1 kg is very heavy, I've certainly seen teams with tower masses upwards of 500 grams.
Point is, 1kg weight tower gets u at max 17 points.... which is (no offense) nothing.. and saw a hole through a solid block of wood and what you get is 1 kg.
A solid rectangular prism of balsa wood that successfully spans the gap is ~2.5 kg - add a hole, and you may get down to 2 kg. Someone very inexperienced building with hardwood or laminate board or some such could probably end up with a 1 kg "tower".

What a strange thing to argue about... :P
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While this is strange to argue about I do want to point out that you are referring to a possibility while the question is about to an actual competition.
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Well, maybe this guy was a troll, and aimed to cause this hysteria.
But hey, Unome, I would like to disagree with u ( in a friendly way) My calculations show, solid balsa rectangular way could be literally 20x4 for the bottom and will slowly decrease to 5x5, cut a hole in the middle 1 kg. You need about 4 pounds per cubic foot to make a 15x15x50 piece of wood weigh a kg. Uhh... so I'm guessing he used higher weight... and shaved off a few sides and stuff.. solid block of wood seems half viable. Also, I have no idea what a 1kg balsa tower holding 3 kg would look like... maybe like some week members with like super heavy horizontal bracing pointing towards the sky or something... then, I'd think the bracing weight will just crush the members itself. Nonetheless.. quite interesting to think about the possibilities of a 3 point tower. The highest weight I have ever seen in a competition was 120 grams ish. Not sure maybe will try this experiment at the end of the year... just for fun! :geek:
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Random Human wrote:Well, maybe this guy was a troll, and aimed to cause this hysteria.
But hey, Unome, I would like to disagree with u ( in a friendly way) My calculations show, solid balsa rectangular way could be literally 20x4 for the bottom and will slowly decrease to 5x5, cut a hole in the middle 1 kg. You need about 4 pounds per cubic foot to make a 15x15x50 piece of wood weigh a kg. Uhh... so I'm guessing he used higher weight... and shaved off a few sides and stuff.. solid block of wood seems half viable. Also, I have no idea what a 1kg balsa tower holding 3 kg would look like... maybe like some week members with like super heavy horizontal bracing pointing towards the sky or something... then, I'd think the bracing weight will just crush the members itself. Nonetheless.. quite interesting to think about the possibilities of a 3 point tower. The highest weight I have ever seen in a competition was 120 grams ish. Not sure maybe will try this experiment at the end of the year... just for fun! :geek:
While that's true and I agree, if someone had thought through enough to trim a block to that shape, they would probably doing better than that.
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WhatScience? wrote:
Random Human wrote:
Unome wrote: You underestimate what happens outside of the rather elite sphere of Scioly.org. Though 1 kg is very heavy, I've certainly seen teams with tower masses upwards of 500 grams.
Point is, 1kg weight tower gets u at max 17 points.... which is (no offense) nothing.. and saw a hole through a solid block of wood and what you get is 1 kg.
Ya, if you can point me to a team that scored lower than 17 points at an competition (not practice or for fun) I will be amazed!!
I believe a team had a 1.4 kg tower that hit bonus and maxed out. That's about 12 points.
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Unome wrote:
Random Human wrote:Well, maybe this guy was a troll, and aimed to cause this hysteria.
But hey, Unome, I would like to disagree with u ( in a friendly way) My calculations show, solid balsa rectangular way could be literally 20x4 for the bottom and will slowly decrease to 5x5, cut a hole in the middle 1 kg. You need about 4 pounds per cubic foot to make a 15x15x50 piece of wood weigh a kg. Uhh... so I'm guessing he used higher weight... and shaved off a few sides and stuff.. solid block of wood seems half viable. Also, I have no idea what a 1kg balsa tower holding 3 kg would look like... maybe like some week members with like super heavy horizontal bracing pointing towards the sky or something... then, I'd think the bracing weight will just crush the members itself. Nonetheless.. quite interesting to think about the possibilities of a 3 point tower. The highest weight I have ever seen in a competition was 120 grams ish. Not sure maybe will try this experiment at the end of the year... just for fun! :geek:
While that's true and I agree, if someone had thought through enough to trim a block to that shape, they would probably doing better than that.
Ha ha, yes... :P
I think the tower would have looked something like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-59avsb7Ek
maybe heavier...
Whats your thoughts on how a 1kg tower can only hold 3kg...
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Does anyone Baby any chance remember the purple bottle glue? I don’t know the name but it was very common last year.
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