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PacificGoldenPlover wrote:Just curious, what do people think about the new National Defense Authorization Act that says American citizens can be held indefinitely without trial, lawyer, or knowledge of charges if they are suspected of being terrorists?

Wouldn't that violate the Sixth Amendment?

Bill of Rights wrote: AMENDMENT 6. Right to a Speedy, Public Trial (1791) In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

My stance: Unconstitutional, should be removed from United States Law
My argument: If the accused is innocent, indefinite jail time before the trial could force the accused to confess to a crime that he/she never committed. If the accused is guilty, there should be enough evidence to prove that by the time the accused is arrested. If otherwise, you could just keep the accused under surveillance with the justification being the evidence that has already been collected. I believe that this law opens the door to arrests made not on the basis of evidence, but on the basis of prejudice. Finally, the law clearly violates the Sixth Amendement.

Note: The quote was taken from the eighth grade history textbook that my school uses, Creating America: Beginnings Through Reconstruction (A McDougal Littell textbook).

I know it's unconstitutional, but the senate voted for it 93-7.

All you need to know about the bill is contained here
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-d ... evelopment

No worries, it'll be overturned by the Supreme Court.

But it looks like they have more than enough votes to make it a new constitutional amendment O_o

It was passed because it came with the defense bill, and the last thing congress wants is another budget showdown. Yet, they don't want too repeal something they passed. And, in my opinion, the Supreme court will not overturn it so easily, considering what they did with Guantanamo for all these years.

House just passed NDAA, and Obama will sign it.

About my comment on the budget shutdown: I stand corrected.

tuftedtitmouse12 wrote:is it true that the government is trying to censor the web?

If you look at the top Left of the forum, that is what it's all about.
Incidentally, admins, is this scioly itself protesting, or the website that leases the space. Just curious.

This is Scioly.org's statement.

We thought that the issue was important enough that a small statement was appropriate.

Unome wrote:

[NerdyTotoro] wrote:

bonysteak wrote:
That's why people hate him. Because he can't keep his mouth shut. Maybe the nasty stuff he says doesn't apply to you but the group of people they're aimed at get hurt, a lot. So yes, it is a big deal.

His actual, real policies aren't the WORST, but he needs to grow up if he wants the entire nation to support him.

Potential flame war alert!

Everyone, if you actually want to discuss politics, please take it either to the politics thread (mods?) or to PMs

Ok, conversation is shifted here now, happy unome?

I think every single member of the staff is happy.