Keep the Heat B/Thermodynamics C

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Re: Keep the Heat B/Thermodynamics C

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val_chen_11 wrote:How many variables should I test for the graph?
i already did 100mL,125mL,150mL,175mL,200mL at 60 degrees.....and I plan to do 60,70,80,90 degrees at 150mL...
suggestions? is this too much or too little?
You should look at the sample plots on soinc.org.
Just use the amounts and temps they used.
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Re: Keep the Heat B/Thermodynamics C

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Is it necessary to graph the room temperature one? or just the insulation one?
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Nope, just the insulation one is fine.
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I've been trying to find the answer to this online, but I have not been able to come up with a definite answer. Does the Carnot cycle's second step involve adibiatic expansion or isothermal expansion?
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Re: Keep the Heat B/Thermodynamics C

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questionguy wrote:I've been trying to find the answer to this online, but I have not been able to come up with a definite answer. Does the Carnot cycle's second step involve adibiatic expansion or isothermal expansion?
I believe that the second step is an adiabatic expansion.

Edit: Confirmed here.
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Julian wrote:
questionguy wrote:I've been trying to find the answer to this online, but I have not been able to come up with a definite answer. Does the Carnot cycle's second step involve adibiatic expansion or isothermal expansion?
I believe that the second step is an adiabatic expansion.

Edit: Confirmed here.
http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics ... Cycle.html --- so is this one incorrect?

Also wikipedia told me that the order was Isentropic, Isothermal, Isentropic, and then Isothermal.

Quite confused here
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Re: Keep the Heat B/Thermodynamics C

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questionguy wrote:http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics ... Cycle.html --- so is this one incorrect?

Also wikipedia told me that the order was Isentropic, Isothermal, Isentropic, and then Isothermal.

Quite confused here
Right, so actually, both sources are correct. It is just that they are starting from different positions. On the scienceworld page, it starts with compression from T1 to T2, whereas in most resources, the first step is when the system is placed on a heating reservoir. Since the Carnot Cycle is, after all, a cycle, there is no real definitive start and end, and likewise, there is no first step and second step.

I might add, that it is helpful to memorize the type of process that goes with each step, but ultimately, understanding the process as a whole will put you in much better shape in the long run.

I find that this video really does a good job of explaining the Carnot Cycle as well.
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Re: Keep the Heat B/Thermodynamics C

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Hello,

I was wondering if organic foams are permitted for this event, the rules say that foams are not permitted, but they only mention synthetic examples, Styrofoam, polyurethane foam etc...

Can the device be made from natural polymers, aka proteins, which can be manipulated to form both fibers and foams? I am asking this because naturally derived foams do not fit in either the prohibited nor the permitted materials.

At the very least, can a protein based binder be used to make cellulose based foams?
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The latest FAQ banning corn starch packing peanuts for the reason of being a foam appears to prohibit any form of foam, regardless of granular form or organic composition.
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So in that case can I use cotton wool, or any similar fibrous organic materials?

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