Hovercraft B/C

Locked
reed303
Member
Member
Posts: 72
Joined: October 17th, 2014, 2:44 pm
Has thanked: 0
Been thanked: 1 time

Re: Hovercraft B/C-shielding question

Post by reed303 »

Elizabeth.mish wrote:In the rules manual, it specifies that shielding is needed around each propellor. For the lift propellor, I put mesh shielding on the top but no underneath the propellor. However I do have a skirt that prevents any parts of the propellor from flying out. Is this ok or do I need to put metal mesh shielding under the lift propellor as well?
Rule 3c says: "All propellers/impellers,including under the device, must have shielding which prevents a 3/8” dowel from touching them". So yes, it's required.
Div B Asst Coach 2012-2021
SOCoach
Member
Member
Posts: 117
Joined: January 16th, 2003, 6:08 am
Has thanked: 0
Been thanked: 0

Re: Hovercraft B/C

Post by SOCoach »

I apologize if this has been answered already.

My kids hovercraft was lifting all 16 rolls of pennies and doing very well. We realized that we had forgotten to put shielding on the bottom of the craft on the lift fan. They added wire screen . . . with holes slightly smaller than 1/4 per the rule. Now the craft will barely lift 11 rolls. I am assuming the wire is blocking air flow, but it suprises me that it is that significant in terms of weight lifted. Has anyone else had this problem . . . . and how have you corrected it? Bigger lift motor? Different angle to the lift prop?
nicholasmaurer
Coach
Coach
Posts: 422
Joined: May 19th, 2017, 10:55 am
Division: Grad
State: OH
Has thanked: 1 time
Been thanked: 22 times

Re: Hovercraft B/C-shielding question

Post by nicholasmaurer »

reed303 wrote:
Elizabeth.mish wrote:In the rules manual, it specifies that shielding is needed around each propellor. For the lift propellor, I put mesh shielding on the top but no underneath the propellor. However I do have a skirt that prevents any parts of the propellor from flying out. Is this ok or do I need to put metal mesh shielding under the lift propellor as well?
Rule 3c says: "All propellers/impellers,including under the device, must have shielding which prevents a 3/8” dowel from touching them". So yes, it's required.
It depends on the design of your skirt. I have seen skirts that are only around the edges of the Hovercraft, so therefore if you pick up the device and look at the bottom the propeller is exposed. In that case, yes, you must have shielding of some kind per rule 3c. I have also seen skirts that completely cover the bottom of the Hovercraft except for small holes that allow air to escape. In that case, your skirt is also serving as shielding.
Assistant Coach and Alumnus ('14) - Solon High School Science Olympiad
Tournament Director - Northeast Ohio Regional Tournament
Tournament Director - Solon High School Science Olympiad Invitational

Opinions expressed on this site are not official; the only place for official rules changes and FAQs is soinc.org.
404ic
Member
Member
Posts: 13
Joined: November 4th, 2017, 11:54 am
Division: Grad
State: CA
Pronouns: He/Him/His
Has thanked: 4 times
Been thanked: 22 times

Re: Hovercraft B/C

Post by 404ic »

NilaiVemula wrote:
404ic wrote:
reed303 wrote:
S-O Battery policy says:
• insulate the battery terminals and attached wires when not connected;
• do not use bare wire at any time in the construction of your device;
• make sure that all wiring connections are properly insulated

https://www.soinc.org/sites/default/fil ... _18_17.pdf

We've soldered & shrink-tubed some connections, and used wire nuts for others.. You could also use crimp connectors for wire-to-wire splices. The connections to lugs on motors and switches were soldered.
Is it okay if I use electrical tape to insulate the wire connections?
Yes, but most electrical tapes start to melt above 250°F, so make sure you don't have connection points that get hotter than that.
Wait, so to sum this up, alligator cables + electrical tape <250°F should suffice?

Also, am I allowed to use two batteries, both 9v to power different motors? I was planning on having two circuits, one for each motor, each powered by their own 9v battery (this would also need two different switches; is this okay? I checked the rule manuals and it appears to be fine... but I'm not entirely sure).
geniusjohn5
Member
Member
Posts: 110
Joined: January 18th, 2017, 6:57 pm
Division: C
Has thanked: 0
Been thanked: 0

Re: Hovercraft B/C

Post by geniusjohn5 »

404ic wrote:
NilaiVemula wrote:
404ic wrote:
Is it okay if I use electrical tape to insulate the wire connections?
Yes, but most electrical tapes start to melt above 250°F, so make sure you don't have connection points that get hotter than that.
Wait, so to sum this up, alligator cables + electrical tape <250°F should suffice?

Also, am I allowed to use two batteries, both 9v to power different motors? I was planning on having two circuits, one for each motor, each powered by their own 9v battery (this would also need two different switches; is this okay? I checked the rule manuals and it appears to be fine... but I'm not entirely sure).
Yes. You should be good on both accounts.
The biologist speculates, "What's the meaning of life?"
The physicist asks, "In the universe, does matter really matter?"
The chemist replies, "I shall find solutions to both questions."
Tesel
Exalted Member
Exalted Member
Posts: 161
Joined: January 30th, 2016, 8:03 pm
Division: C
State: MI
Has thanked: 0
Been thanked: 1 time

Re: Hovercraft B/C

Post by Tesel »

404ic wrote:
NilaiVemula wrote:
404ic wrote:
Is it okay if I use electrical tape to insulate the wire connections?
Yes, but most electrical tapes start to melt above 250°F, so make sure you don't have connection points that get hotter than that.
Wait, so to sum this up, alligator cables + electrical tape <250°F should suffice?

Also, am I allowed to use two batteries, both 9v to power different motors? I was planning on having two circuits, one for each motor, each powered by their own 9v battery (this would also need two different switches; is this okay? I checked the rule manuals and it appears to be fine... but I'm not entirely sure).
I assume alligator cables would be fine, although not entirely recommended. Just make sure there's no bare wires. And yes, you're fine to have 2 circuits. You could also use a 2-pole switch if you want both circuits to be hooked up to a single switch.
University of Michigan Science Olympiad Div. C Event Lead

2018 MI Mission Possible State Champions
EcoDyne
Member
Member
Posts: 6
Joined: November 10th, 2017, 9:50 pm
Has thanked: 0
Been thanked: 0

Re: Hovercraft B/C

Post by EcoDyne »

Just to make sure, is it okay for the propeller shielding to be soft so that if you pushed with enough force (more than a gentle poke) you could still touch the propeller?

I'm using a very thin and stretchable material and I'm not sure if it will earn a construction violation.

Has anyone ran into any issues using thin mesh-like material as shielding?
nicholasmaurer
Coach
Coach
Posts: 422
Joined: May 19th, 2017, 10:55 am
Division: Grad
State: OH
Has thanked: 1 time
Been thanked: 22 times

Re: Hovercraft B/C

Post by nicholasmaurer »

EcoDyne wrote:Just to make sure, is it okay for the propeller shielding to be soft so that if you pushed with enough force (more than a gentle poke) you could still touch the propeller?

I'm using a very thin and stretchable material and I'm not sure if it will earn a construction violation.

Has anyone ran into any issues using thin mesh-like material as shielding?
I think that will hinge on the supervisor's definition of the word "shielding." Clearly a thin, stretchable material can prevent a dowel from touching the propeller. I think, however, that the use of the word shielding specifically implies that the covering must protect users from accidental contact with the propeller. If I were the ES, I would apple the rule in that spirit.

If your covering resists (for example) a poke of a finger, then I would say you are fine. If I can poke it with my finger (or the dowel, which is really a simulated finger) and stretch it into the blades, you aren't really providing "shielding."
Assistant Coach and Alumnus ('14) - Solon High School Science Olympiad
Tournament Director - Northeast Ohio Regional Tournament
Tournament Director - Solon High School Science Olympiad Invitational

Opinions expressed on this site are not official; the only place for official rules changes and FAQs is soinc.org.
User avatar
rc2000
Member
Member
Posts: 16
Joined: November 10th, 2017, 9:39 pm
Has thanked: 0
Been thanked: 0

Re: Hovercraft B/C

Post by rc2000 »

EcoDyne wrote:Just to make sure, is it okay for the propeller shielding to be soft so that if you pushed with enough force (more than a gentle poke) you could still touch the propeller?

I'm using a very thin and stretchable material and I'm not sure if it will earn a construction violation.

Has anyone ran into any issues using thin mesh-like material as shielding?

Don't buy mesh with several small holes. It's adding a lot more mesh as well, and my hovercraft wouldn't even move forward due to the restricted air flow.
I think it's best to keep the holes as close to 3/8" as possible.
LittyWap
Member
Member
Posts: 69
Joined: March 22nd, 2017, 1:44 pm
Division: C
State: PA
Has thanked: 0
Been thanked: 0

Re: Hovercraft B/C

Post by LittyWap »

здравствуйте!

The benefit from mass score score is based on relative performance, and I wanted to gauge how much mass most people can lift. I can lift the 16 rolls regardless, but the additional mass can cause other complications that can decrease accuracy. As for the accuracy, I am usually within ~1 second and would like to dial this in before states. How do you all compare? And for those of you who use DC motors, have you had issues with your motors eventually degrading? Many friends of mine report them having to replace their motors 2-3 times, whereas I have only had to do so once.


напутствие на английском,

лучший коммунист
Build score of 49.88/50 at Nationals!? Slacker! :evil:

Shady Side Academy Division C

Hovercraft, Thermodynamics, Chemistry Lab, Mat Sci

Big P
Locked

Return to “2018 Lab Events”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 0 guests