Keep the Heat B/Thermodynamics C
-
hmcginny
- Member

- Posts: 100
- Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2011 6:27 pm
- Division: Grad
- State: PA
- Has thanked: 0
- Been thanked: 0
Re: Keep the Heat B/Thermodynamics C
Well the rate of heat change depends on the exposed surface area A (R=kA(T1-T2)/d), so since each dimension is doubled, the surface area will be quadrupled. Therefore the rate of heat added to the house would have to be quadrupled as well to make up for the quadrupled heat loss. I hope that makes sense.
Harriton 2013 (Captain 2012-2013)
Penn 2017
2014 PA State Compound Machines Supervisor
Past Events: Fermi, Thermo, WIDI, Maglev, TPS, Chem Lab, Mission, Sounds, Trajectory, Mousetrap, etc.
Penn 2017
2014 PA State Compound Machines Supervisor
Past Events: Fermi, Thermo, WIDI, Maglev, TPS, Chem Lab, Mission, Sounds, Trajectory, Mousetrap, etc.
-
questionguy
- Member

- Posts: 126
- Joined: Tue Nov 23, 2010 4:29 pm
- Division: C
- State: VA
- Has thanked: 0
- Been thanked: 0
Re: Keep the Heat B/Thermodynamics C
Yes, it does thank you very muchhmcginny wrote:Well the rate of heat change depends on the exposed surface area A (R=kA(T1-T2)/d), so since each dimension is doubled, the surface area will be quadrupled. Therefore the rate of heat added to the house would have to be quadrupled as well to make up for the quadrupled heat loss. I hope that makes sense.
-
andrewwski
- Admin Emeritus

- Posts: 960
- Joined: Fri Jan 12, 2007 7:36 pm
- Division: Grad
- Has thanked: 0
- Been thanked: 16 times
Re: Keep the Heat B/Thermodynamics C
Absolutely. But absorbing heat means water isn't an adequate insulator. Water has a thermal conductivity of about 0.6 W/mK, and air has a thermal conductivity of about 0.025 W/mK. Fourier's Law states thatharryk wrote:You might want to rethink your design, because while water may be an adequate insulator it absorbs ALOT of heat, so unless you plan on using hot water(which I'm pretty sure is not aloud) then the water will be room temperature and almost certainly cool down the beaker even more than if you just had airforeverphysics wrote:Drawings of two designs we have. One is a box within a box. The other one is...something, I guess...
Excuse my terrible handwriting; I drew this on a laptop.
Box inside a box
The other design with a lot of layers
Yeah, if you guys don't understand the diagrams at all, ask.
By using water instead of air, you'll lose heat at over 20 times the rate you would by using air. (A perfect calculation is more difficult in this case, as it's not a true steady-state problem, but it's on the right order).
-
Flavorflav
- Member

- Posts: 1384
- Joined: Sun Feb 05, 2006 7:06 am
- Division: Grad
- State: NY
- Has thanked: 0
- Been thanked: 3 times
Re: Keep the Heat B/Thermodynamics C
Which is why it is so useful for quenching, to which I alluded earlier. Of course, that makes it worse than useless in this event.
-
foreverphysics
- Moderator

- Posts: 497
- Joined: Fri May 20, 2011 8:41 pm
- Division: Grad
- State: AL
- Has thanked: 0
- Been thanked: 68 times
Re: Keep the Heat B/Thermodynamics C
Yeah, that's why there's styrofoam first. (Yes, I'll think of something other than styrofoam eventually, but for right now, let's just stick with a generic name "styrofoam".) If I put cardboard coated in aluminum foil as opposed to plastic, it should actually work pretty well.
-
Frogger4907
- Member

- Posts: 458
- Joined: Thu Sep 16, 2010 11:16 am
- Division: Grad
- State: KS
- Has thanked: 0
- Been thanked: 0
Re: Keep the Heat B/Thermodynamics C
What do you guys find to be the benefits of using the Al foil?foreverphysics wrote:Yeah, that's why there's styrofoam first. (Yes, I'll think of something other than styrofoam eventually, but for right now, let's just stick with a generic name "styrofoam".) If I put cardboard coated in aluminum foil as opposed to plastic, it should actually work pretty well.
Ornithology State Champion
Gravity Vehicle State Champion
Thermodynamics State Champion
Remote Sensing State Champion
>20 Div C State Medals
Gravity Vehicle State Champion
Thermodynamics State Champion
Remote Sensing State Champion
>20 Div C State Medals
-
PacificGoldenPlover
- Exalted Member

- Posts: 519
- Joined: Sun Apr 10, 2011 6:51 pm
- Division: Grad
- State: CA
- Has thanked: 0
- Been thanked: 4 times
Re: Keep the Heat B/Thermodynamics C
But there is no styrofoam allowed!!!foreverphysics wrote:Yeah, that's why there's styrofoam first. (Yes, I'll think of something other than styrofoam eventually, but for right now, let's just stick with a generic name "styrofoam".) If I put cardboard coated in aluminum foil as opposed to plastic, it should actually work pretty well.
I think the closest you could come is some sort of natural fiber.
Life List: n. A list of bird species definitively seen by a birdwatcher.
PacificGoldenPlover's Life List : 319
Most recent lifer: Red-throated Loon
2014 (Mira Loma/Troy/Regionals/States/Nationals)
Dynamic Planet (2/2/1/1/1)
Designer Genes (1/4/1/13 (???)/13 (figures)
Water Quality (1/1/3/1/3)
PacificGoldenPlover's Life List : 319
Most recent lifer: Red-throated Loon
2014 (Mira Loma/Troy/Regionals/States/Nationals)
Dynamic Planet (2/2/1/1/1)
Designer Genes (1/4/1/13 (???)/13 (figures)
Water Quality (1/1/3/1/3)
-
harryk
- Exalted Member

- Posts: 268
- Joined: Wed Mar 17, 2010 12:28 pm
- Division: Grad
- State: TX
- Has thanked: 0
- Been thanked: 0
Re: Keep the Heat B/Thermodynamics C
Maybe you didn't quite get it the first timeforeverphysics wrote:Yeah, that's why there's styrofoam first.
If you have water anywhere in your box(other than the beaker) it WILL HURT YOUR SCORE
Colorado School of Mines
"Yes, he likes that; Alfie! Though personally he prefers to be called Stormaggedon, Dark Lord of All" - The Doctor, Closing Time
"Yes, he likes that; Alfie! Though personally he prefers to be called Stormaggedon, Dark Lord of All" - The Doctor, Closing Time
-
val_chen_11
- Member

- Posts: 10
- Joined: Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:35 pm
- Division: B
- State: VA
- Has thanked: 0
- Been thanked: 0
Re: Keep the Heat B/Thermodynamics C
I'm new to this and I was wondering, for those of you experienced people, if you can give me some advice on the what the graphs are supposed to display....Is it supposed to start from the beginning to the end of the 40 min or is it supposed to show form 20-40 min....or any other advice. thanks 
-
JSGandora
- Member

- Posts: 613
- Joined: Sat Dec 25, 2010 12:09 pm
- Division: C
- State: NJ
- Has thanked: 0
- Been thanked: 0
Re: Keep the Heat B/Thermodynamics C
Mine was always 20-40 minutes and it's always gotten full credit.
