What's the ideal length of a lever arm? Is there a formula?Alex-RCHS wrote:If your lever arm extends beyond the body of the car it may hit/interfere with the cup. To prevent this many teams have the winding axle in the back so by the time the lever arm reaches the front of the car the cup has already been dropped off.PM2017 wrote:I was about to say the same thing.4Head wrote: It doesn’t really matter. I just used back because it “felt” better.
Mousetrap Vehicle C
Re: Mousetrap Vehicle C
- PM2017
- Member

- Posts: 524
- Joined: January 20th, 2017, 5:02 pm
- Division: Grad
- State: CA
- Has thanked: 23 times
- Been thanked: 13 times
Re: Mousetrap Vehicle C
I was going unde rthe assumption that you want to use just under the entire turnf of the lever arm to travel the 3(.05) meters forwards, and the 7(.1) meters back, so that you make the most out of the mousetraps.Rêveur wrote:What's the ideal length of a lever arm? Is there a formula?Alex-RCHS wrote:If your lever arm extends beyond the body of the car it may hit/interfere with the cup. To prevent this many teams have the winding axle in the back so by the time the lever arm reaches the front of the car the cup has already been dropped off.PM2017 wrote: I was about to say the same thing.
West High '19
UC Berkeley '23
Go Bears!
UC Berkeley '23
Go Bears!
- PM2017
- Member

- Posts: 524
- Joined: January 20th, 2017, 5:02 pm
- Division: Grad
- State: CA
- Has thanked: 23 times
- Been thanked: 13 times
Re: Mousetrap Vehicle C
Thoughts on using excessively large attachment holes to save weight, but still use it for attachment?
West High '19
UC Berkeley '23
Go Bears!
UC Berkeley '23
Go Bears!
- antoine_ego
- Exalted Member

- Posts: 387
- Joined: May 24th, 2016, 5:37 pm
- Division: Grad
- State: MA
- Has thanked: 0
- Been thanked: 0
Re: Mousetrap Vehicle C
Most of the weight of the trap is metal, which you can't really alter, so drilling large holes is a bit useless.PM2017 wrote:Thoughts on using excessively large attachment holes to save weight, but still use it for attachment?
Rest in Peace Len Joeris
Acton-Boxborough Regional High School Captain 17-19
[b]2016 Air Trajectory Nationals - 3rd 2018 Hovercraft Nationals - 6th 2018 Mousetrap Nationals - 6th 2018 Nationals - Team 9th Place! 2019 Astronomy Nationals - 3rd! 2019 Nationals - Team 9th Place! [/b]
-
4Head
- Member

- Posts: 237
- Joined: November 14th, 2016, 11:29 am
- Division: C
- Has thanked: 0
- Been thanked: 0
Re: Mousetrap Vehicle C
Keyword: most.antoine_ego wrote:Most of the weight of the trap is metal, which you can't really alter, so drilling large holes is a bit useless.PM2017 wrote:Thoughts on using excessively large attachment holes to save weight, but still use it for attachment?
Every advantage in this event is going to be small. Even a barely significant change is priceless once youve optimized all the other aspect of your vehicle, especially considering all these small changes added up will be quite dramatic
2019 Sounds of Music National Champion
- Alex-RCHS
- Member

- Posts: 539
- Joined: November 4th, 2016, 3:46 pm
- Division: Grad
- State: NC
- Has thanked: 3 times
- Been thanked: 1 time
Re: Mousetrap Vehicle C
This is an interesting idea, but what are you going to use to attach it? The rules specify that the holes must be for attachment purposes, not just to cut weight. Whatever you use to attach the car will add some extra weight, offsetting some (or most, or all if you use metal screws) of the benefits.4Head wrote:Keyword: most.antoine_ego wrote:Most of the weight of the trap is metal, which you can't really alter, so drilling large holes is a bit useless.PM2017 wrote:Thoughts on using excessively large attachment holes to save weight, but still use it for attachment?
Every advantage in this event is going to be small. Even a barely significant change is priceless once youve optimized all the other aspect of your vehicle, especially considering all these small changes added up will be quite dramatic
I did some quick calculations and assuming the wood of the mousetrap is .75cm thick and has a density of .75 g/cm^3, and you cut 1.5 cm diameter holes (that's pretty generous IMO) then you're saving 1 gram per hole at most, minus whatever you add to actually attach it.
- PM2017
- Member

- Posts: 524
- Joined: January 20th, 2017, 5:02 pm
- Division: Grad
- State: CA
- Has thanked: 23 times
- Been thanked: 13 times
Re: Mousetrap Vehicle C
I was going to drill out a 1 in hole, a 1/2 in hole, and two smaller holes, and use a hollow 3d printed cylinder (w/ no top or bottom, and with 0.05 in walls)Alex-RCHS wrote:This is an interesting idea, but what are you going to use to attach it? The rules specify that the holes must be for attachment purposes, not just to cut weight. Whatever you use to attach the car will add some extra weight, offsetting some (or most, or all if you use metal screws) of the benefits.4Head wrote:Keyword: most.antoine_ego wrote:
Most of the weight of the trap is metal, which you can't really alter, so drilling large holes is a bit useless.
Every advantage in this event is going to be small. Even a barely significant change is priceless once youve optimized all the other aspect of your vehicle, especially considering all these small changes added up will be quite dramatic
I did some quick calculations and assuming the wood of the mousetrap is .75cm thick and has a density of .75 g/cm^3, and you cut 1.5 cm diameter holes (that's pretty generous IMO) then you're saving 1 gram per hole at most, minus whatever you add to actually attach it.
West High '19
UC Berkeley '23
Go Bears!
UC Berkeley '23
Go Bears!
- PM2017
- Member

- Posts: 524
- Joined: January 20th, 2017, 5:02 pm
- Division: Grad
- State: CA
- Has thanked: 23 times
- Been thanked: 13 times
Re: Mousetrap Vehicle C
I was going to drill out a 1 in hole, a 1/2 in hole, and two smaller holes, and use a hollow 3d printed cylinder (w/ no top or bottom, and with 0.05 in walls)Alex-RCHS wrote:This is an interesting idea, but what are you going to use to attach it? The rules specify that the holes must be for attachment purposes, not just to cut weight. Whatever you use to attach the car will add some extra weight, offsetting some (or most, or all if you use metal screws) of the benefits.4Head wrote:Keyword: most.antoine_ego wrote:
Most of the weight of the trap is metal, which you can't really alter, so drilling large holes is a bit useless.
Every advantage in this event is going to be small. Even a barely significant change is priceless once youve optimized all the other aspect of your vehicle, especially considering all these small changes added up will be quite dramatic
I did some quick calculations and assuming the wood of the mousetrap is .75cm thick and has a density of .75 g/cm^3, and you cut 1.5 cm diameter holes (that's pretty generous IMO) then you're saving 1 gram per hole at most, minus whatever you add to actually attach it.
West High '19
UC Berkeley '23
Go Bears!
UC Berkeley '23
Go Bears!
- Alex-RCHS
- Member

- Posts: 539
- Joined: November 4th, 2016, 3:46 pm
- Division: Grad
- State: NC
- Has thanked: 3 times
- Been thanked: 1 time
Re: Mousetrap Vehicle C
Still saves about 4g in total, minus the mass of the cylinder. Whatever floats your boat lolPM2017 wrote:I was going to drill out a 1 in hole, a 1/2 in hole, and two smaller holes, and use a hollow 3d printed cylinder (w/ no top or bottom, and with 0.05 in walls)Alex-RCHS wrote:This is an interesting idea, but what are you going to use to attach it? The rules specify that the holes must be for attachment purposes, not just to cut weight. Whatever you use to attach the car will add some extra weight, offsetting some (or most, or all if you use metal screws) of the benefits.4Head wrote: Keyword: most.
Every advantage in this event is going to be small. Even a barely significant change is priceless once youve optimized all the other aspect of your vehicle, especially considering all these small changes added up will be quite dramatic
I did some quick calculations and assuming the wood of the mousetrap is .75cm thick and has a density of .75 g/cm^3, and you cut 1.5 cm diameter holes (that's pretty generous IMO) then you're saving 1 gram per hole at most, minus whatever you add to actually attach it.
-
biz11
- Member

- Posts: 25
- Joined: February 15th, 2015, 10:55 am
- Division: Grad
- State: PA
- Pronouns: He/Him/His
- Has thanked: 2 times
- Been thanked: 0
Re: Mousetrap Vehicle C
The back wheels of my car keep just lifting up slightly+not getting enough traction and so the car doesn’t move at all but the axle turns. Any solutions for this?
I’m using cd’s with balloons as the tires.
I’m using cd’s with balloons as the tires.
Mount Nittany MS (2014-2017)
State College HS (2017-2020)
Penn State (2020-2024)
State College HS (2017-2020)
Penn State (2020-2024)
Who is online
Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 0 guests