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ilovebiologyPA wrote: November 21st, 2019, 9:33 am why do u have a bad word in ur username, lechassin?
Hmmm, I can see at least two. That wasn't the intent, but of course you knew that, which makes me question your intent ;) .

It's Lucas Eric Chassin
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lechassin wrote: November 21st, 2019, 9:44 am
ilovebiologyPA wrote: November 21st, 2019, 9:33 am why do u have a bad word in ur username, lechassin?
Hmmm, I can see at least two. That wasn't the intent, but of course you knew that, which makes me question your intent ;) .

It's Lucas Eric Chassin
Im sorry mr lechassin I was just curious
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klastyioer wrote: November 21st, 2019, 9:20 am that sounds like a bit of a threat...
It wasn't directed at you, but yes. I've gotten a lot of help here (thank you!), and I've respected requests not to share certain things. I feel like I should put on my flame suit because I know not to expect much support in my argument (understandably):

I can see Luke losing interest in WS because he's unhappy with the build rule. It's clear to him that other kids are directly benefiting from years of adult expertise that is unavailable to him because of my limitations. He knows I have certain skills to offer and he doesn't like that these have been carved out and forbidden. He's right. We'll respect the build rule, but be cool about it and help him out to whatever extent he needs, even if by PM if you don't want to post publicly (as some have done, thank you). Don't worry, he'll never compete against any of you, if anything because the rest of his Science Olympiad team is also weakly represented.

In general, I don't see a bright future for Wright Stuff if it eventually boils down to the same handful of heavily coached teams winning every year, and the other 35,000 high schools in the country know they don't stand a chance.
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lechassin wrote: November 21st, 2019, 11:15 am
klastyioer wrote: November 21st, 2019, 9:20 am that sounds like a bit of a threat...
It wasn't directed at you, but yes. I've gotten a lot of help here (thank you!), and I've respected requests not to share certain things. I feel like I should put on my flame suit because I know not to expect much support in my argument (understandably):

I can see Luke losing interest in WS because he's unhappy with the build rule. It's clear to him that other kids are directly benefiting from years of adult expertise that is unavailable to him because of my limitations. He knows I have certain skills to offer and he doesn't like that these have been carved out and forbidden. He's right. We'll respect the build rule, but be cool about it and help him out to whatever extent he needs, even if by PM if you don't want to post publicly (as some have done, thank you). Don't worry, he'll never compete against any of you, if anything because the rest of his Science Olympiad team is also weakly represented.

In general, I don't see a bright future for Wright Stuff if it eventually boils down to the same handful of heavily coached teams winning every year, and the other 35,000 high schools in the country know they don't stand a chance.
Dang, the forum got all heavy!

I personally can thank all of you that share your expertise. Last year was my first year and did pretty good, 2:35 at state, good enough for 8th I think. We don't have a build coach of any kind at school, great coaches, but not builders. So every improvement made has been with help here.

Lechassin - I'll post times when we get more than a slow glide to the floor!! Just got the kit Tues, but started a plane from scratch based on your instructions. Unfortunately I don't think we'll have anything that flies before Sat, the first invitational......which is probably OK because I think you guys will be there!! I also have to study for Detector and build Gravity Car and Ping Pong Parachute - both of those are more ready so I have to spend this week's time getting those ready. You guys are just way ahead this year so you need to give everyone else some time to catch up! We build as a family as well. Don't let the haters get you down! I have a kit - I didn't laser the parts or mould the prop. I'm going to learn a lot though, it takes TONS of testing to get any of these to fly as we learned last year, isn't that science stuff, hypothesis, test, adjust, the point.

We still have a crazy idea that a gearbox is the way to go this year. I'm sure all my time will be spent trying to achieve the impossible.
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lechassin wrote: November 21st, 2019, 11:15 am
klastyioer wrote: November 21st, 2019, 9:20 am that sounds like a bit of a threat...
It wasn't directed at you, but yes. I've gotten a lot of help here (thank you!), and I've respected requests not to share certain things. I feel like I should put on my flame suit because I know not to expect much support in my argument (understandably):

I can see Luke losing interest in WS because he's unhappy with the build rule. It's clear to him that other kids are directly benefiting from years of adult expertise that is unavailable to him because of my limitations. He knows I have certain skills to offer and he doesn't like that these have been carved out and forbidden. He's right. We'll respect the build rule, but be cool about it and help him out to whatever extent he needs, even if by PM if you don't want to post publicly (as some have done, thank you). Don't worry, he'll never compete against any of you, if anything because the rest of his Science Olympiad team is also weakly represented.

In general, I don't see a bright future for Wright Stuff if it eventually boils down to the same handful of heavily coached teams winning every year, and the other 35,000 high schools in the country know they don't stand a chance.
We started 4 years ago, and had nothing but the forums and the documents put out by SO. We are now highly competitive. I was not an indoor flyer. But the kids were tenacious, and just needed a little encouragement and direction. What I did not know, we asked on the forums, and we got good. In a hurry. First year we were 7th at Nationals, because the kids built (scratch, not kits) 12 planes and about 25 props. And took notes and tried new things. Yes, we have a starting point now, but quite frankly, the FF kit is VERY similar to our 2017 plane, which was strongly influenced by Bill Gowen's Carbon Penny plans. If you look at last year's forums, I was VERY active in sharing ideas and solving problems. This year we have yet to fly (first testing next Friday). I think you will find you are well ahead of many schools in that you have already flown a significant amount, and should have a storehouse of data in your logs to this point. That is the key!

Having the experience primarily helps us to shorten our trimming cycle, and know what to adjust when we see poor performance. But all of that has been posted on these forums. Yes, I bring 4 seasons of experience to the table, but some of my kids are in their third season, so it is their experience too. There is little I need to do other than making my kitchen table available, and organizing gym access (we need to rent a gym, since we are home schooled).

Keep asking questions, and keep encouraging people. But don't think the kids cannot learn or extend themselves. My kids do the observing, logbook, and adjusting (as well as all the building. They won;t let me touch the thing).

As far as times, they are also linked to conditions (altitude of facility, height of ceiling, HVAC, etc.) and do not serve much purpose in publication. There are enough times published so that you can get a feel for whether you are performing well.

One more thing I am doing is opening a flight workshop for our state schools, trying to help other schools in NM become competitive, and not frustrated.

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I definitely put you in the helpful category, thank you.

Luke built his planes to a degree that satisfies me, but I can't pretend that I was forbidden from touching anything, quite the opposite. I took over some critical steps that he was obviously struggling with, like gluing up the fences so that the wings stayed straight, and building the rudder mechanisms. Hopefully that won't be a problem.

As for times, I guess we find out soon enough.

Carry on!
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We have the added challenge of flying at over a mile high. While we can get the planes and rubber trimmed out, we need to get to the gym at sea level, or Nats level, before the event, and get the rubber re-optimized. Thus, it is critical the kids have a LOT of flying experience so that this process can be done in one session. Log books, and a consistent process really help here.

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Lucas:

If you PM me your email, I'll send you our excel (blank) log sheets for WS, if you don;t already have an effective log regimen.

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PM sent, thanks.

Airco2020, are you local to us? Introduce yourself when we meet so we'll know to trip over your plane, er, say "hi", haha.

I think you'll be disappointed with a gearbox, especially one that gears up. I have RC planes with gearboxes and they need strong prop shafts, good quality gears, ball bearings, etc... stuff that is way too heavy for WS. We are building light and usually end up with only about 0.5 grams ballast, not enough leeway for a gearbox.

Luke and I just finished his second plane, hopefully we can sneak into the gym sometime before Saturday to trim it. If not, he'll have hopefully learned better scheduling (to be fair he does work a lot).
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lechassin wrote: November 21st, 2019, 6:33 pm
I think you'll be disappointed with a gearbox, especially one that gears up. I have RC planes with gearboxes and they need strong prop shafts, good quality gears, ball bearings, etc... stuff that is way too heavy for WS. We are building light and usually end up with only about 0.5 grams ballast, not enough leeway for a gearbox.
Let's assume for the moment that gearbox and prop could be 1.5g, If we're gearing up, i think the prop has to be smaller - less blades, less pitch - still 8cm? Is that how you would see this?
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