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C DIV ONLY: I noticed the ENTIRE conversation here focuses entirely on the skeletal and muscular systems. At state we ran 1/3rd on each system and people were TOTALLY unprepared for the endocrine section. WHICH IS THE BEST SECTION!!! (and the only section I write)

PS Memorizing all 206 bones is tricky... but someone who is competing at a level for a state medal should be able to memorize 200 of something without too much trouble. Make 40 index cards a day for a week and memorize on the weekend. I must have learned almost 200 organic structures for polymer detectives back in the day, and that was only a tiny fraction of my prep, and that only netted FOURTH. Although with the cheat sheets... just get nice diagrams and familiarize yourself with them!

@Flavorflav: I'm convinced about the microanatomy, you make a good case. But you TOTALLY shouldn't trust your coordinators to be that smart (FULL DISCLOSURE: yes, I am one of those coordinators). SO competitors are frequently smarter and harder working than their judges. Not that you shouldn't still be super grateful, we are all volunteers regardless of our experience and understanding of the program. I wouldn't try to parse the rule requirements that closely...

peoneill wrote:C DIV ONLY: I noticed the ENTIRE conversation here focuses entirely on the skeletal and muscular systems. At state we ran 1/3rd on each system and people were TOTALLY unprepared for the endocrine section. WHICH IS THE BEST SECTION!!! (and the only section I write)

PS Memorizing all 206 bones is tricky... but someone who is competing at a level for a state medal should be able to memorize 200 of something without too much trouble. Make 40 index cards a day for a week and memorize on the weekend. I must have learned almost 200 organic structures for polymer detectives back in the day, and that was only a tiny fraction of my prep, and that only netted FOURTH. Although with the cheat sheets... just get nice diagrams and familiarize yourself with them!

@Flavorflav: I'm convinced about the microanatomy, you make a good case. But you TOTALLY shouldn't trust your coordinators to be that smart (FULL DISCLOSURE: yes, I am one of those coordinators). SO competitors are frequently smarter and harder working than their judges. Not that you shouldn't still be super grateful, we are all volunteers regardless of our experience and understanding of the program. I wouldn't try to parse the rule requirements that closely...

I had the same experience. The top score at our States was only about 70% of the available points with no processes other than those involved as attachment sites for listed muscles. Most teams fell down on the endocrine system and the disorders - in particular, very few students could read the X-rays.

I would say, though, that there is no particular reason to memorize all of the bones and muscles. Most of the good teams had diagrams on their note sheets. A chart of hypo- and hypersecretion effects would be a good idea, too.

Flavorflav wrote: A chart of hypo- and hypersecretion effects would be a good idea, too.

this would apply to only C division right??

colombiano wrote:

Flavorflav wrote: A chart of hypo- and hypersecretion effects would be a good idea, too.

this would apply to only C division right??

Yes, sorry if that was unclear.

k thanks

does anyone no wat the function of the teres minor and the teres major is

kp9ssa wrote:does anyone no wat the function of the teres minor and the teres major is

The teres minor is not on the list, but it externally rotates the head of the humerus. It is the little brother of the infraspinatus muscle.
The teres major assists adduction, internal rotation, and extension of the arm when there is resistance to the aforementioned movements (lie putting your hand between two cinderblocks and trying to turn it in).

sydneybieber wrote:does anyone know if we should remember all 50 muscles on the major list for divi b? should we know where all of the go to?!

Yes. But if you can't remember them, put them on your reference sheet.

My partner and I took a test the other day and part of it was on Salter-Harris fractures. The rules don't say we need to know them, but I did some research and found tons of info. How in detail do you think we need to know the types?

dvd wrote:My partner and I took a test the other day and part of it was on Salter-Harris fractures. The rules don't say we need to know them, but I did some research and found tons of info. How in detail do you think we need to know the types?

for now i would just say the basic types bacause that should only be tested at nationals.