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Re: Protein Modeling C

Posted: May 15th, 2011, 3:02 pm
by Phenylethylamine
proton28 wrote:Does anyone have the link for the PDB c-myc jmol? i was looking for it to practice with but i cant find it... thanks!
You can find it at http://www.pdb.org/pdb/explore/jmol.do? ... ionumber=1.

I got that link by going to http://www.pdb.org/pdb/explore/explore. ... ureId=1NKP, the regular PDB entry for 1NKP (which is the c-Myc file for Nationals), and clicking "View in Jmol".

Also, that Jmol applet only shows half the file (i.e., four of the eight chains you'll see listed if you go to the 1NKP sequence summary page), but don't worry- the missing half is just a duplicate of what you see there. For some reason, the online Jmol applet only shows one of the two copies in the file, while if you download the file and open in in Jmol on your computer, you'll see both copies. You don't really need both copies- they're identical- so it doesn't much matter.

Re: Protein Modeling C

Posted: May 15th, 2011, 3:34 pm
by The Eviscerator
What size font are people using on their 3 by 5 notecards?
I'm using Times New Roman size 9, but I might be switching it 8 so that I can fit all the things I need on to it.

Re: Protein Modeling C

Posted: May 15th, 2011, 5:23 pm
by butter side up
The Eviscerator wrote:What size font are people using on their 3 by 5 notecards?
I'm using Times New Roman size 9, but I might be switching it 8 so that I can fit all the things I need on to it.
I've found that depending on the font you might be able to use size 7 or 8. I would suggest maybe switching fonts- I like Arial Narrow for cheat sheets and notecards because you can fit more information on it at the same size, rather than making it smaller. The best test of if your notecard is a good size is to print it out at whatever you think is good, and give it to someone older, like a parent or teacher. Ask them if they can read it. That will be a pretty good approximation of if the judges will be able to read it. Remember- they are the ones who are ultimately going to have to read these, and they will have to read a lot of them.

Re: Protein Modeling C

Posted: May 16th, 2011, 7:31 am
by Phenylethylamine
butter side up wrote:
The Eviscerator wrote:What size font are people using on their 3 by 5 notecards?
I'm using Times New Roman size 9, but I might be switching it 8 so that I can fit all the things I need on to it.
I've found that depending on the font you might be able to use size 7 or 8. I would suggest maybe switching fonts- I like Arial Narrow for cheat sheets and notecards because you can fit more information on it at the same size, rather than making it smaller. The best test of if your notecard is a good size is to print it out at whatever you think is good, and give it to someone older, like a parent or teacher. Ask them if they can read it. That will be a pretty good approximation of if the judges will be able to read it. Remember- they are the ones who are ultimately going to have to read these, and they will have to read a lot of them.
I use Gill Sans, around 8pt for most of the body text (different sizes for the legend, etc), but that's a personal preference (I'm a bit of a typography geek).

Re: Protein Modeling C

Posted: May 16th, 2011, 4:25 pm
by butter side up
Phenylethylamine wrote:I use Gill Sans, around 8pt for most of the body text (different sizes for the legend, etc), but that's a personal preference (I'm a bit of a typography geek).
You wrote that you type out your legend. Do you do that by formatting it with typed labels and leaving space to attach samples on, or do you just type out, for example, "bright green pipe cleaner= hydrophobic core"? Or do you just type out a list and copy and paste by hand, along with samples?

Re: Protein Modeling C

Posted: May 16th, 2011, 4:46 pm
by The Eviscerator
Is a legend required?
Right, now, I just have things listed out (what things represent on the model) as I talk about them.

Re: Protein Modeling C

Posted: May 16th, 2011, 5:31 pm
by Phenylethylamine
butter side up wrote:
Phenylethylamine wrote:I use Gill Sans, around 8pt for most of the body text (different sizes for the legend, etc), but that's a personal preference (I'm a bit of a typography geek).
You wrote that you type out your legend. Do you do that by formatting it with typed labels and leaving space to attach samples on, or do you just type out, for example, "bright green pipe cleaner= hydrophobic core"? Or do you just type out a list and copy and paste by hand, along with samples?
To use your example, I would type "hydrophobic core", and then tab over a little ways (using tab stops to leave the exact amount of space I want), leaving a white space, and type the next item. Then when I print out the sheet, I glue it onto my card, and take small pieces of my materials (in this example, a piece of bright green pipe cleaner) and glue them into the spaces I left.
The Eviscerator wrote:Is a legend required?
Right, now, I just have things listed out (what things represent on the model) as I talk about them.
The rules say that the notecard must "explain the creative additions to their model and what they represent," so your method is probably fine, as long as it's clear what represents what. Nowhere in the rules does it specifically say you have to first list your additions and then explain them. I personally prefer to set it up with a separate legend, because then I can put in the aforementioned little pieces of my materials, which looks cool.

Re: Protein Modeling C

Posted: May 24th, 2011, 2:40 pm
by The Eviscerator
Thanks to everybody that helped me and not only tolerated, but also answered my questions.

Especially you Phenylethylamine.

By the way, sorry for beating you at nats.

Re: Protein Modeling C

Posted: May 25th, 2011, 4:58 pm
by Phenylethylamine
The Eviscerator wrote:Thanks to everybody that helped me and not only tolerated, but also answered my questions.

Especially you Phenylethylamine.

By the way, sorry for beating you at nats.
No hard feelings. You asked good questions; I was happy to help.

Re: Protein Modeling C

Posted: June 9th, 2011, 9:22 pm
by Lily Essence
Anyone know when the links on the site for the exam/answers/rubrics are going to be not broken?