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Re: New York 2016
Posted: February 8th, 2016, 6:30 am
by Bazinga+
Re: New York 2016
Posted: February 8th, 2016, 8:42 am
by EastStroudsburg13
Unome wrote:I think someone from Ithaca used to be active on scioly.org... I don't remember who they are though. Also, didn't Maine-Endwell qualify for Nationals a few years ago? (although it might be a decade ago and I'm remembering wrong
).
Yep. Caseyotis is/was from Ithaca. If I recall correctly, he hadn't been to states before, so this would be his first time. I'm happy his team was able to make it.
Re: New York 2016
Posted: February 8th, 2016, 9:22 pm
by andrewwski
syo_astro wrote:
Lake Erie seems the usual at least for Williamsville East (I think I also remember St Joe's and Canisius sort of, but I can't remember everyone from that region sadly).
A bit of a "shake up" this year, actually. Williamsville East and St. Joe's usually trade the 1-2 positions each year. But I believe this is the first trip to states for Canisius and Nichols. Williamsville North usually goes, but occasionally has missed it (this is the 2nd time in the past 10 years, I believe). The other spots typically bounce around between Clarence, Lancaster, Hamburg, and Springville.
Re: New York 2016
Posted: February 8th, 2016, 10:11 pm
by syo_astro
andrewwski wrote:syo_astro wrote:
Lake Erie seems the usual at least for Williamsville East (I think I also remember St Joe's and Canisius sort of, but I can't remember everyone from that region sadly).
A bit of a "shake up" this year, actually. Williamsville East and St. Joe's usually trade the 1-2 positions each year. But I believe this is the first trip to states for Canisius and Nichols. Williamsville North usually goes, but occasionally has missed it (this is the 2nd time in the past 10 years, I believe). The other spots typically bounce around between Clarence, Lancaster, Hamburg, and Springville.
Oo, good to note, and thanks for the fact check. I guess figures that I remember what I do, and Caniusius in my memory must just be from when States was there. Always interesting to see new schools, though! Still waiting on results from a few regions, even Nassau East, alas. Since nobody posted, I heard Syo got 1st (and 4th, 9th for their B and C teams). I will try to search for other places, though I figure something like Wantagh/Hicksville/Division/Wheatley typically go now (more explicitly, I can vaguely make out Division and Wheatley in the top somewhere...).
Re: New York 2016
Posted: February 9th, 2016, 3:41 am
by chaguy2457
Any chance we can compile a list of the teams going to States soon?
Re: New York 2016
Posted: February 10th, 2016, 3:22 pm
by Lampooning
How about the full results for the Southern Tier? I get "missing file" when I go to the site. I see that they posted the order of the first 3 teams on here. Nothing else. Why? Also MidHudson is missing. Maybe they have not had time to post but its been days now. All this information should be public. Most regions post their results right away but a few regions steadfastly refuse. I'm not sure why. Does anyone know what may keep a region from wanting to post their results? Is there a problem with the results? Do they worry that schools may look bad? If so, they shouldn't compete. Can you imagine a sport event where the times or the scores were not made public? Seems to me that the regions unwilling to post their results shouldn't be included.Or maybe there are only 3 teams in the Southern Tier and maybe MidHudson will post soon.
Re: New York 2016
Posted: February 10th, 2016, 4:05 pm
by Unome
Lampooning wrote:How about the full results for the Southern Tier? I get "missing file" when I go to the site. I see that they posted the order of the first 3 teams on here. Nothing else. Why? Also MidHudson is missing. Maybe they have not had time to post but its been days now. All this information should be public. Most regions post their results right away but a few regions steadfastly refuse. I'm not sure why. 1) Does anyone know what may keep a region from wanting to post their results? Is there a problem with the results? Do they worry that schools may look bad? If so, they shouldn't compete. Can you imagine a sport event where the times or the scores were not made public? 2) Seems to me that the regions unwilling to post their results shouldn't be included.Or maybe there are only 3 teams in the Southern Tier and maybe MidHudson will post soon.
1) As chalker once said, don't attribute to malice what can be more easily explained by incompetence. Likely they either don't know how or don't have the time. Most regional directors are far less experienced than state directors and often just do this in their free time without much knowledge of how Science Olympiad works.
2) Sounds to me like you're supporting punishing the teams for what the tournament does...
Re: New York 2016
Posted: February 10th, 2016, 4:11 pm
by Lampooning
Not at all supporting punishing the teams. I am not sure what you are saying but if they don't want the results to be known then they probably shouldn't compete. It can't be incompetence because it only involves posting the results. It may be that Mid-Hudson did not have time yet. But it does not take much time to post them. I found 2013 Southern Tier and they seem to only have 12 teams then. So it could be that it is now down to only the 3. I don't know. I don't think it is malicious at all. But it does seem that they don't want to post them. I happen to think results of each region's contest should be made available. Nearly all are and everyone benefits so withholding them does not seem in keeping with the spirit of SO. But I am not suggesting there is malice at all. What about my posts makes you speculate about malice? I don't think they are incompetent either.
I just looked a the Southern Tier's Wiki and looks like only 4 schools are posted. Maybe that is all they have. I don't know. If so, I'd think the regional groupings might be reconstituted so that schools in regions with larger number of schools are not disadvantaged. Even if only one of the four go on to states that is far better odds than any other region but maybe they have more schools. Don't know.
Re: New York 2016
Posted: February 10th, 2016, 5:51 pm
by Unome
Lampooning wrote:1) Not at all supporting punishing the teams. 2) I am not sure what you are saying but if they don't want the results to be known then they probably shouldn't compete. It can't be incompetence because it only involves posting the results. It may be that Mid-Hudson did not have time yet. But it does not take much time to post them. I found 2013 Southern Tier and they seem to only have 12 teams then. 3) So it could be that it is now down to only the 3. I don't know. I don't think it is malicious at all. But it does seem that they don't want to post them. 4) I happen to think results of each region's contest should be made available. Nearly all are and everyone benefits so withholding them does not seem in keeping with the spirit of SO. But I am not suggesting there is malice at all. What about my posts makes you speculate about malice? I don't think they are incompetent either.
5) I just looked a the Southern Tier's Wiki and looks like only 4 schools are posted. Maybe that is all they have. I don't know. If so, I'd think the regional groupings might be reconstituted so that schools in regions with larger number of schools are not disadvantaged. Even if only one of the four go on to states that is far better odds than any other region but maybe they have more schools. Don't know.
1) Perhaps I should have paraphrased the quote and used something other than malice; the word is a bit strong for what you were saying.
2) I still can't tell what you're saying here. Are you saying that teams shouldn't compete if they don't want results known?
3) I know from a few other sources (news articles, the forum archives) that it is definitely not at 3 schools; however, it is historically one of the smaller regions in the state; judging by the previous results on this thread, I'd say maybe 15-20 teams (assuming proportional state bids, which I think NY changed to a while ago).
4) I agree completely; it's difficult to have much discussion if there aren't any results to discuss
(e.g. the Georgia thread right now)
5) This is probably just due to the wiki generally not getting much updates (note that basically every staff member has something in their signature encouraging the reader to edit the wiki; the wiki tends to get
a lot of traffic, but very few edits).
Re: New York 2016
Posted: February 10th, 2016, 7:29 pm
by chalker
Lampooning wrote: It can't be incompetence because it only involves posting the results.
You'd be surprised how hard this can be for some people. Some tournaments still run scoring via pencil and paper only - no computers involved. Other people don't really know how to create a PDF and post it to a file hosting service, let alone publicize the link to it.
For a lot of tournament directors it's truly too much of a hassle for them to do this. They typically give a physical copy of the results to the coaches and call it a day.