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Re: General Mission Possible
Posted: October 27th, 2011, 9:04 am
by DigiDuncan
chalker wrote:DigiDuncan wrote:So... quick question on the wording if the rules. They state, and I quote:
d. Hazardous spills, flames, liquids, and hazardous materials [...] are not permitted.
So, does this mean, no "
hazardous liquids or no
liquids?
Please help me on this.
I'm curious what you are thinking of using a liquid for. When we were creating the tasks we explicitly tried to avoid anything that might need a liquid.
Maybe... to drive a force? Or acted as a moveable weight?
Re: General Mission Possible
Posted: October 27th, 2011, 10:56 am
by chalker
DigiDuncan wrote:
Maybe... to drive a force? Or acted as a moveable weight?
Neither of those require a liquid though. They can be accomplished either via a granular solid, or via air (pneumatics).
Re: General Mission Possible
Posted: October 27th, 2011, 11:33 am
by DigiDuncan
chalker wrote:DigiDuncan wrote:
Maybe... to drive a force? Or acted as a moveable weight?
Neither of those require a liquid though. They can be accomplished either via a granular solid, or via air (pneumatics).
Maybe I don't
LIKE pneumatics! JK. But, pouring water down a tube is easier than build some weird pnuematic whatchamicallit.
Re: General Mission Possible
Posted: October 29th, 2011, 11:08 am
by XJcwolfyX
"Use a lever with an IMA greater than 1 in a manner that requires an IMA greater than 1 to cause the next action."
What does this mean? Howdo you use an IMA to cause a next action?
Re: General Mission Possible
Posted: October 29th, 2011, 11:34 am
by chalker7
XJcwolfyX wrote:"Use a lever with an IMA greater than 1 in a manner that requires an IMA greater than 1 to cause the next action."
What does this mean? Howdo you use an IMA to cause a next action?
It doesn't say "use the IMA," you can't really "use" a measurement. It does, however say to use a lever
with an IMA greater than 1. Essentially, magnify the force at the end of the lever such that you need it (an example of this would be lifting a 500g mass with a 100g mass applied to a lever with an IMA greater than 5).
Re: General Mission Possible
Posted: October 30th, 2011, 5:23 pm
by rmp509
hey guys could i get a quick opinion on this. i did submit a official clarification but with the task concerning pouring granular material from a lower container to a higher container do u think it wuld be okay if the container with the granular material starts lower that the other container but then i raise it higher than pour it into the container. again i submitted a clarification but i just thought it wuld be better if i got an opinion thnx
Re: General Mission Possible
Posted: October 30th, 2011, 5:30 pm
by rmp509
chalker7 wrote:XJcwolfyX wrote:"Use a lever with an IMA greater than 1 in a manner that requires an IMA greater than 1 to cause the next action."
What does this mean? Howdo you use an IMA to cause a next action?
It doesn't say "use the IMA," you can't really "use" a measurement. It does, however say to use a lever
with an IMA greater than 1. Essentially, magnify the force at the end of the lever such that you need it (an example of this would be lifting a 500g mass with a 100g mass applied to a lever with an IMA greater than 5).
so basiclly what tht task is telling you to do is have a lever with an ima greater than one and have it use that power or force in a way that distributes a action that has a ima greater then 1? to simplify activate a lever with an ima greater than 1
Re: General Mission Possible
Posted: October 30th, 2011, 9:05 pm
by chalker7
rmp509 wrote:hey guys could i get a quick opinion on this. i did submit a official clarification but with the task concerning pouring granular material from a lower container to a higher container do u think it wuld be okay if the container with the granular material starts lower that the other container but then i raise it higher than pour it into the container. again i submitted a clarification but i just thought it wuld be better if i got an opinion thnx
I'm not trying to be difficult, but what makes you think the scenario you propose is not legal?
Re: General Mission Possible
Posted: October 30th, 2011, 9:11 pm
by chalker7
rmp509 wrote:
so basiclly what tht task is telling you to do is have a lever with an ima greater than one and have it use that power or force in a way that distributes a action that has a ima greater then 1? to simplify activate a lever with an ima greater than 1
Kind of, but the important part of the rule (which may be confusing) is probably "in a manner that requires..." It is relatively easy to build a lever with an IMA greater than 1 (just shift the fulcrum away from the center on a 1st class lever). But it is much different to actually utilize that IMA in a productive manner. For example, you might use a 100g mass applied to a 5 IMA lever to lift a 25g mass, but you didn't need the IMA of 5 to complete the task. However, if the mass you were lifting was ~500g, you would have needed the large IMA.
Re: General Mission Possible
Posted: November 1st, 2011, 6:14 pm
by rmp509
chalker7 wrote:rmp509 wrote:hey guys could i get a quick opinion on this. i did submit a official clarification but with the task concerning pouring granular material from a lower container to a higher container do u think it wuld be okay if the container with the granular material starts lower that the other container but then i raise it higher than pour it into the container. again i submitted a clarification but i just thought it wuld be better if i got an opinion thnx
I'm not trying to be difficult, but what makes you think the scenario you propose is not legal?
oh yeah i guess i forgot to mention that srry. I was wondering if it was legal to pour the material from a higher container if that container starts lower but then i raise it up.