Mission Possible C

[ftf841]

Would something like the having magnet task drop an object that completes an electrical connection that powers the end task be legal? I'm a little confused since technically electricity is not allowed to be used for magnet, but it is for end, so would the dropped object completing the connection technically be part of end or would it be part of magnet?

(Was just discussing this with ftf841)

Since it says electricity is limited to "raising the Final Action platform," does that mean electricity isn't allowed for the transition to the final action? How would that even be possible then?

use another one of your tasks with electricity as the last task before the final action. this way you do not depend upon your ES's discretion

But wouldn't the transition from any of the the non-electrical tasks to an electrical one be legally dubious then?

[Unome]

(Was just discussing this with ftf841)

Since it says electricity is limited to "raising the Final Action platform," does that mean electricity isn't allowed for the transition to the final action? How would that even be possible then?

use another one of your tasks with electricity as the last task before the final action. this way you do not depend upon your ES's discretion

But wouldn't the transition from any of the the non-electrical tasks to an electrical one be legally dubious then?

Word your ASL carefully.

[windu34]

Since it says electricity is limited to "raising the Final Action platform," does that mean electricity isn't allowed for the transition to the final action? How would that even be possible then?

If you have a switch wired into a closed circuit with a battery and a motor (and perhaps some otther components) and you use a mechanical action to flip that switch to complete that circuit, electricity would not be used for the transition between those tasks.

[ScottMaurer19]

Would something like the having magnet task drop an object that completes an electrical connection that powers the end task be legal? I'm a little confused since technically electricity is not allowed to be used for magnet, but it is for end, so would the dropped object completing the connection technically be part of end or would it be part of magnet?

(Was just discussing this with ftf841)

Since it says electricity is limited to "raising the Final Action platform," does that mean electricity isn't allowed for the transition to the final action? How would that even be possible then?

use another one of your tasks with electricity as the last task before the final action. this way you do not depend upon your ES's discretion

If you write it as follows in your ASL you should be safe:
1. Magnet is removed and magnetic object falls
2. Magnetic object completes a circuit and (insert description of final task)

Just dont write it like this:
1. Magnetic object falls due to removal of magnet and completes a circuit allowing electricity to a motor
2. (insert final action description)

[erico.vert]

(Was just discussing this with ftf841)

Since it says electricity is limited to "raising the Final Action platform," does that mean electricity isn't allowed for the transition to the final action? How would that even be possible then?

use another one of your tasks with electricity as the last task before the final action. this way you do not depend upon your ES's discretion

If you write it as follows in your ASL you should be safe:
1. Magnet is removed and magnetic object falls
2. Magnetic object completes a circuit and (insert description of final task)

Just dont write it like this:
1. Magnetic object falls due to removal of magnet and completes a circuit allowing electricity to a motor
2. (insert final action description)

I's agree there. If the dropped object completes a circuit then it should be fine since the circuit, at that point, is only connected to the final task, not the previous one.

[nicholasmaurer]

Has anyone else noticed that 4.f. specifies that timing AND scoring both start with the ping-pong ball drop, but only mentions timing ending at 180.0 seconds? I've submitted for an FAQ, but as I read the text currently, actions can receive points past 180.0 seconds, which I'm sure is not the intent. Am I missing something...?

[Unome]

Has anyone else noticed that 4.f. specifies that timing AND scoring both start with the ping-pong ball drop, but only mentions timing ending at 180.0 seconds? I've submitted for an FAQ, but as I read the text currently, actions can receive points past 180.0 seconds, which I'm sure is not the intent. Am I missing something...?

I didn't see anything else definitive (I think once they had a separate rule with "scoring ends at final action or when timing stops"). The closest I can see is 3.c, but that could probably be circumvented.

[DrDaveV]

I just want to get something clarified regarding who can work on a build. It is my understadning that "anyone" on the team can help with design and construction. According to the Code of Ethics and General Rules "All pre-built devices presented for judging must be constructed, impounded, and operated by one or more of the 15 current team members unless stated otherwise in the rules."

So all 15 team members can contribute to a particular build even though only two present it. Is that correct?

[terence.tan]

I just want to get something clarified regarding who can work on a build. It is my understadning that "anyone" on the team can help with design and construction. According to the Code of Ethics and General Rules "All pre-built devices presented for judging must be constructed, impounded, and operated by one or more of the 15 current team members unless stated otherwise in the rules."

So all 15 team members can contribute to a particular build even though only two present it. Is that correct?

yes that is correct

[Jacobi]

I just want to get something clarified regarding who can work on a build. It is my understadning that "anyone" on the team can help with design and construction. According to the Code of Ethics and General Rules "All pre-built devices presented for judging must be constructed, impounded, and operated by one or more of the 15 current team members unless stated otherwise in the rules."

So all 15 team members can contribute to a particular build even though only two present it. Is that correct?

yes that is correct

Although in practice, it's fine as long as it's student-built.

In practice, many of the top teams "student build" using the arms, brains, and other body parts from adults.

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