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Re: Mission Possible C

Posted: January 11th, 2014, 7:33 am
by olympiaddict
Yup, it was clarified with a slight change in the components rule:
http://www.soinc.org/official_rules_clarif
LED's and light bulbs are now allowed

Re: Mission Possible C

Posted: January 13th, 2014, 8:49 am
by Kordo
Thank you for your input Uncle Fester, I would have to agree with everything you said. For the rules not saying to or from I used line 4b to argue that the left column was being counted because they mention that " An Energy Transfer can receive points when it directly transfers from one Basic Energy Form TO a DIFFERENT Basic Energy Form", I think it can be argued that it is clearly the first form that they are calling "it" here. This also rules out counting the last EMF because it doesn't transfer to anything.

Re: Mission Possible C

Posted: January 14th, 2014, 4:27 am
by twototwenty
Kordo wrote:Thank you for your input Uncle Fester, I would have to agree with everything you said. For the rules not saying to or from I used line 4b to argue that the left column was being counted because they mention that " An Energy Transfer can receive points when it directly transfers from one Basic Energy Form TO a DIFFERENT Basic Energy Form", I think it can be argued that it is clearly the first form that they are calling "it" here. This also rules out counting the last EMF because it doesn't transfer to anything.
Are you saying that this rules out counting the last elec -> EMS (if that is how I am lightin up the final light)? Because the energy form of electricity is being directly transferred to the energy form of light. I am confused as to why that transfer wouldn't count.

Re: Mission Possible C

Posted: January 14th, 2014, 5:30 am
by Phys1cs
twototwenty wrote: Are you saying that this rules out counting the last elec -> EMS (if that is how I am lightin up the final light)? Because the energy form of electricity is being directly transferred to the energy form of light. I am confused as to why that transfer wouldn't count.
we were told that that transfer does count

Re: Mission Possible C

Posted: January 14th, 2014, 5:32 am
by Flavorflav
twototwenty wrote:
Kordo wrote:Thank you for your input Uncle Fester, I would have to agree with everything you said. For the rules not saying to or from I used line 4b to argue that the left column was being counted because they mention that " An Energy Transfer can receive points when it directly transfers from one Basic Energy Form TO a DIFFERENT Basic Energy Form", I think it can be argued that it is clearly the first form that they are calling "it" here. This also rules out counting the last EMF because it doesn't transfer to anything.
Are you saying that this rules out counting the last elec -> EMS (if that is how I am lightin up the final light)? Because the energy form of electricity is being directly transferred to the energy form of light. I am confused as to why that transfer wouldn't count.
Kordo just explained that - the light in the final task doesn't transfer to anything, so you can't score it. Even if you did have it do something afterward, nothing after the light goes on counts.

Re: Mission Possible C

Posted: January 14th, 2014, 9:20 am
by olympiaddict
I would agree with twototwenty about electricity -> ems except I'm hesitant about the rule saying one action can contribute to only one score able transfer... The last light shining is a "task" not a transfer though so it's questionable

Re: Mission Possible C

Posted: January 16th, 2014, 3:22 pm
by Phys1cs
would using an electromagnet count as electromagnetic?
we're using it to pull away a piece of metal, em->mech?

thanks!!

Re: Mission Possible C

Posted: January 16th, 2014, 4:07 pm
by Uncle Fester
Absolutely not. It's not an ELECTROMAGNETIC SPECTRUM wave. If it were, what's its wavelength?

What is it then? It's a "Static B Field"

Re: Mission Possible C

Posted: January 16th, 2014, 4:32 pm
by Phys1cs
thanks!

Re: Mission Possible C

Posted: January 16th, 2014, 4:41 pm
by rmp509
Hi if i have a motor hitting a switch that activates a circuit powered by a homemade battery which then turns on the led would this be mechanical to chemical to ems?