Illinois 2018

[TheChiScientist]

Lol. Basiclly our team's life story. Next year we gonna have all seniors and sophmores on our team and the seniors are out for blood...

[19alekb]

Lol. Basiclly our team's life story. Next year we gonna have all seniors and sophmores on our team and the seniors are out for blood...

Are you from nt?

[TheChiScientist]

Lol. Read my signature. NT is one of our many sworn enemies Trust me they are one of our favorite enemies
And I will be senior next year Then onto Div. D

[19alekb]

Lol. Read my signature. NT is one of our many sworn enemies Trust me they are one of our favorite enemies

Ahhh. I see.

[TheChiScientist]

Psst. Join us! Nice to see the future of our competition. Next year we hope to dethrone NT or Stevenson. Whichever falls first. (I hope not NT )

[TheChiScientist]

Also click here to learn more about my school-> Crystal Lake Central High School Wiki
(Or more about me! ->[wiki]User:TheChiScientist[/wiki])

[hippo9]

1. I'm skeptical about it having been a disqualification. It appears to have been a tier (surely a competition violation) according to the final score report. You have about the same odds of getting struck by lightning as you do disqualifying any team, especially one of the best, at the State level.

2. There are very few events where meaningful aid can be obtained via telephone usage of any kind. In this scenario, it's far more likely to receive aid from a parent or coach mouthing tips from just outside the competition area. And, even that is unlikely.

3. While General Rule 2 is clearly cut, it does appear antiquated. After all, what are teams practicing with? Cellular telephones. What are supervisors and their supporting volunteers timing stations with? Cellular telephones. How are some of you probably reading this? From your cellular telephone...I don't think it is all that radical a suggestion to say that using the stopwatch (or clock) function of a telephone could be reasonable. As an analogy, consider a multifunctional probe (or maybe, even, a multimeter). It's reasonable to tell teams that they can use their fancy instrument if they stick to permissible functions. Why should that principle stop applying here? I suppose you could cite the 'dedicated to computation' calculator policies...but that's a separate can of worms.

4. A comment was made somewhere that no issues were had at past tournaments (to which MM has attended many). My usual response to this is pretty dismissive because the rules are what they are, but a high profile team attending many competitions in a single season suddenly getting stung over an innocuous offense (least restrictive penalty and all that) at the first competition that actually has stakes may be symptomatic of an endemic problem. I'm not going to call sabotage or anything conspiratorial like that, but it is worth noting that strong teams draw more attention--and scrutiny--to themselves. While MM was, by the letter of the rules, in the wrong, perhaps the rules need to be rethought to ensure that this doesn't happen again. Because, everyone's heads turn when one of the best teams nationwide bombs a single event. And, the arbitration team knew what they were doing with this ruling.

You are right by calling it a tiering because it was. Roller coaster got second tiered, I just called it a dq. I'm just butterfly at the ruling. MM is going to be worsened a lot because our 8th graders are leaving. This leaves me and a two or three other 7th graders to try to carry the team.

If you really do have two or three others on board, that's plenty to do it. Between three or four people, you can pretty easily cover most of the events.

Of course, that is contingent on all of you sticking to it and being reliable. The last time I tried this, I had to basically drag our second-best team member out of retirement (a 9th grader - I assume you may not be familiar with the 9th grader rule since IL doesn't allow 9th graders in Div B) a few days before the first tournament. Although, the team ended up doing just fine... (the DuPont trophy is still front and center in the school display case).

Wait, ISO doesn't allow 9th graders in Div B? That makes Daniel Wright winning nats even more impressive.

[Skink]

Also click here to learn more about my school-> Crystal Lake Central High School Wiki

I don't edit the wiki, so here's a revision for your consideration...
"Crystal Lake Central is a Division C team located in the middle of nowhere in the city of Crystal Lake, IL. They currently are one of the most aggressive teams in the immediate area and normally place in the top 5 at local invitationals."

[TheChiScientist]

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Well, it's not my fault we are one of the best teams in these nearby counties. All the other good teams are in Kankakee and Lake County

[hippo9]

I'm skeptical about it having been a disqualification. It appears to have been a tier (surely a competition violation) according to the final score report. You have about the same odds of getting struck by lightning as you do disqualifying any team, especially one of the best, at the State level.

Wow, not sure why I didn't notice that (even knowing IL has more than 40 teams at state...). This makes more sense, being basically the least restrictive actual penalty that the ES could have given.

I've witnessed one DQ out of every tournament I've been to. I wonder what the odds in terms of the number of people-events competed at those tournaments are...

Out of curiosity what was the DQ for?