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Re: Can't Judge a Powder B

Posted: May 18th, 2010, 3:00 pm
by SolonSOohio
haven chuck wrote:
SolonSOohio wrote:I have some questions:
How do you tell if a powder is hygroscopic? (procedures)
How do you test conductivity if you aren't allowed to bring a multimeter? (tester used)
A) Look in the 2007 test packet (2006 tests). There is an excellent description of the experiment that they were looking for testing for hygroscopic-ness on the CJAP test answer key.
B) Why wouldn't you be allowed to bring a multimeter? It says in the rules that a conductivity tester is allowed? :?:
I asked the FAQ on national science olympiad page and they said you can't bring a multimeter. See here: http://soinc.org/node/477
Also what is the link to the "2007 test packet (2006 tests)".

Re: Can't Judge a Powder B

Posted: May 18th, 2010, 3:27 pm
by ichaelm
There's a difference between a conductivity meter and a multimeter. It's like the difference between resistance and resistivity (I'm in shock value). Basically though, you need to either make a conductivity meter, or you can buy one of those fancy digital ones.

Re: Can't Judge a Powder B

Posted: May 18th, 2010, 3:31 pm
by SolonSOohio
ichaelm wrote:There's a difference between a conductivity meter and a multimeter. It's like the difference between resistance and resistivity (I'm in shock value). Basically though, you need to either make a conductivity meter, or you can buy one of those fancy digital ones.
Yes, but it said you couldn't bring a multimeter for measuring resistance. What should i bring then?

Re: Can't Judge a Powder B

Posted: May 18th, 2010, 4:34 pm
by ichaelm
You can make one out of a battery, a LED, a small incandescent lamp, and two pieces of metal. The LED will be highly sensitive, the lamp will be less sensitive (they should be in parallel). Or, I can trade you one at the swap meet! :lol:

Re: Can't Judge a Powder B

Posted: May 18th, 2010, 5:10 pm
by haven chuck

Re: Can't Judge a Powder B

Posted: May 18th, 2010, 5:14 pm
by ichaelm
Oh sure! But the shipping is gonna be a killing... Lol seriously, if you anyone needs one I can make a simple one in 5 seconds and give it to you friday! Or ask your shock value guy! If he can't do it then he needs to practice more :?

Edit: Wait a minute. That's like 50 dollars. Without shipping. That's completely unreasonable. If you do buy one, don't fall for something like that!

Re: Can't Judge a Powder B

Posted: May 18th, 2010, 6:02 pm
by haven chuck
We already had it and used it for states, but I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something and was going to bring a DQ upon myself. Thanks for the offer though. :)

Re: Can't Judge a Powder B

Posted: May 18th, 2010, 6:19 pm
by ichaelm
Oh ok then :)

Re: Can't Judge a Powder B

Posted: May 18th, 2010, 7:51 pm
by SidT
I know they let some of you use a graduated cylinder at States, but will they allow it at Nationals?

Re: Can't Judge a Powder B

Posted: May 18th, 2010, 8:10 pm
by SolonSOohio
I'm preety sure you can because how else would you measure the volume of the liquid? It depends on the national judges.