Robo-Cross B

User avatar
harryk
Exalted Member
Exalted Member
Posts: 268
Joined: Wed Mar 17, 2010 12:28 pm
Division: Grad
State: TX
Has thanked: 0
Been thanked: 0

Re: Robo-Cross B

Post by harryk »

Current is completely separate from voltage(in a largely simplified view). A car battery only provides 12v but can provide a current up to several hundred amps, whereas a 9v battery will only provide roughly 500mA of current. Chances are your DC Adapter has an output rating labeled on it, and its likely less than 2A. You should look into getting a rechargeable battery pack for your robot. A NiMh or NiCd type battery pack should serve you well and provide plenty of current.
Colorado School of Mines
"Yes, he likes that; Alfie! Though personally he prefers to be called Stormaggedon, Dark Lord of All" - The Doctor, Closing Time
DrunkWapiti
Member
Member
Posts: 2
Joined: Tue Oct 22, 2013 1:45 pm
Division: B
State: KS
Has thanked: 0
Been thanked: 0

Re: Robo-Cross B

Post by DrunkWapiti »

Am i allowed to have multiple controllers?
jander14indoor
Member
Member
Posts: 1638
Joined: Mon Apr 30, 2007 7:54 am
Has thanked: 0
Been thanked: 25 times

Re: Robo-Cross B

Post by jander14indoor »

DrunkWapiti wrote:Am i allowed to have multiple controllers?
Usual caveat, this isn't an official clarification, just my opinion, just one of several who input to Robo-Cross clarifications, have to get official stuff from NSO website, etc...

Para 2.b says "The Robot may be controlled remotely by radio, infrared, or wired control boxes to the Robot. The Robot and Controller(s) are defined as the Device."

Just the way I read that sentence, the s's at the end of 'boxes' and 'Controller(s)' strongly imply that you are allowed to have multiple controllers.

Jeff Anderson
Livonia, MI
User avatar
UQOnyx
Exalted Member
Exalted Member
Posts: 274
Joined: Wed Nov 28, 2012 2:23 pm
Division: C
State: NJ
Has thanked: 0
Been thanked: 0

Re: Robo-Cross B

Post by UQOnyx »

harryk wrote:Current is completely separate from voltage(in a largely simplified view). A car battery only provides 12v but can provide a current up to several hundred amps, whereas a 9v battery will only provide roughly 500mA of current. Chances are your DC Adapter has an output rating labeled on it, and its likely less than 2A. You should look into getting a rechargeable battery pack for your robot. A NiMh or NiCd type battery pack should serve you well and provide plenty of current.
Oh, thanks, that explains it. I thought it may be so because the output on the 9v battery says only 500 mA of current

EDIT: My battery is actually only 200 mA. Would I fry my reciever with a 1 Amp battery?
Noor-ul-Iman School

2012 Events:
Forestry
Storm The Castle


2013 Events:
Boomilever
Shock Value
Forestry


I know the voices aren't real, but they have some great ideas..
iwonder
Admin Emeritus
Admin Emeritus
Posts: 1115
Joined: Tue May 10, 2011 8:25 pm
Division: Grad
State: TX
Has thanked: 0
Been thanked: 1 time

Re: Robo-Cross B

Post by iwonder »

Umm, you have to watch out, that's why harryk and others suggested a y-harness so the current doesn't burn up the traces on your receiver.
'If you're the smartest person in the room, you're in the wrong room' - Unknown
User avatar
harryk
Exalted Member
Exalted Member
Posts: 268
Joined: Wed Mar 17, 2010 12:28 pm
Division: Grad
State: TX
Has thanked: 0
Been thanked: 0

Re: Robo-Cross B

Post by harryk »

UQOnyx wrote:
harryk wrote:Current is completely separate from voltage(in a largely simplified view). A car battery only provides 12v but can provide a current up to several hundred amps, whereas a 9v battery will only provide roughly 500mA of current. Chances are your DC Adapter has an output rating labeled on it, and its likely less than 2A. You should look into getting a rechargeable battery pack for your robot. A NiMh or NiCd type battery pack should serve you well and provide plenty of current.
Oh, thanks, that explains it. I thought it may be so because the output on the 9v battery says only 500 mA of current

EDIT: My battery is actually only 200 mA. Would I fry my reciever with a 1 Amp battery?
The labels on your batteries are not the max current, but in fact the amount of energy within the battery measured in Amp-hours(usually denoted as Ah or mAh. If your battery is labeled as 200 mAh, this means that it can provide a current of 200mA for the duration of an hour before running out, likewise the same battery could likely output 400mA for half an hour and so on. The max current is a measure of how much energy it can discharge at a given moment, and is limited only by the internal resistance of the battery.

Also, your receiver can probably handle a couple amps of current. It's hard to say for sure but most are rated for at 3A. Unless your using some heavy duty servos you shouldn't need to worry about overloading it. Though using a Y-harness is always a good safety measure incase of a short circuit.
Colorado School of Mines
"Yes, he likes that; Alfie! Though personally he prefers to be called Stormaggedon, Dark Lord of All" - The Doctor, Closing Time
akfackenthal00
Member
Member
Posts: 14
Joined: Thu Nov 01, 2012 3:12 pm
Division: B
State: CA
Has thanked: 0
Been thanked: 0

Re: Robo-Cross B

Post by akfackenthal00 »

In the last year that this even was in b div, did anyone watch the official scioly robocross video? if you know what im talking about, and you did, did you see the robot with the belt with magnets and stickytape on it? I would love to know the brand of the robot and the team that made that modification... thanks!
ps. sorry if this is kinda confusing :|
User avatar
UQOnyx
Exalted Member
Exalted Member
Posts: 274
Joined: Wed Nov 28, 2012 2:23 pm
Division: C
State: NJ
Has thanked: 0
Been thanked: 0

Re: Robo-Cross B

Post by UQOnyx »

harryk wrote:
UQOnyx wrote:
harryk wrote:Current is completely separate from voltage(in a largely simplified view). A car battery only provides 12v but can provide a current up to several hundred amps, whereas a 9v battery will only provide roughly 500mA of current. Chances are your DC Adapter has an output rating labeled on it, and its likely less than 2A. You should look into getting a rechargeable battery pack for your robot. A NiMh or NiCd type battery pack should serve you well and provide plenty of current.
Oh, thanks, that explains it. I thought it may be so because the output on the 9v battery says only 500 mA of current

EDIT: My battery is actually only 200 mA. Would I fry my reciever with a 1 Amp battery?
The labels on your batteries are not the max current, but in fact the amount of energy within the battery measured in Amp-hours(usually denoted as Ah or mAh. If your battery is labeled as 200 mAh, this means that it can provide a current of 200mA for the duration of an hour before running out, likewise the same battery could likely output 400mA for half an hour and so on. The max current is a measure of how much energy it can discharge at a given moment, and is limited only by the internal resistance of the battery.

Also, your receiver can probably handle a couple amps of current. It's hard to say for sure but most are rated for at 3A. Unless your using some heavy duty servos you shouldn't need to worry about overloading it. Though using a Y-harness is always a good safety measure incase of a short circuit.
Thanks for the help :D . I found a 9V, 1 Amp output power adapter. I hooked it up, and so far, the weak arm and everything have stopped. Thanks again harry and iWonder. The robot arm is still struggling a little when it is loaded up too much, but probably a better battery would solve that as well. I also would recommend using an AC/DC power adapter when testing the device to everyone, because it doesn't need to be recharged, and so you don't have to worry about recharging or anything.
Noor-ul-Iman School

2012 Events:
Forestry
Storm The Castle


2013 Events:
Boomilever
Shock Value
Forestry


I know the voices aren't real, but they have some great ideas..
transcience
Member
Member
Posts: 3
Joined: Wed Oct 16, 2013 7:05 pm
Division: B
State: NE
Has thanked: 0
Been thanked: 0

Re: Robo-Cross B

Post by transcience »

mrburrito wrote:
transcience wrote:Can you use lego mindstorm for Robo Cross?
As long as there is at least one functional modification, you may.
What do you mean by functional modification?
User avatar
UQOnyx
Exalted Member
Exalted Member
Posts: 274
Joined: Wed Nov 28, 2012 2:23 pm
Division: C
State: NJ
Has thanked: 0
Been thanked: 0

Re: Robo-Cross B

Post by UQOnyx »

Functional modification is simply that you have to change at least one aspect of the device. If it is a lego or vex kit for example, you can not simply take take it out of the box, follow the exact instructions, and use it, you must change at least one part so that it is different from what you would find out of the box.
Noor-ul-Iman School

2012 Events:
Forestry
Storm The Castle


2013 Events:
Boomilever
Shock Value
Forestry


I know the voices aren't real, but they have some great ideas..

Return to “2014 Build Events”