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C8H10N4O2! wrote:would i be allowed to have a screw task that is actually a pulley (but only 1 wheel), which is pulled by the force of gravity (a mass), and moves another mass or so 2 cm upwards? i just want to know if this technically works (i am converting rotational force into linear, would it just be a matter of wording it properly?)

TheSquaad wrote:

cheese wrote:

honorstoise wrote:If you attach an object to the screw does it count as a separate object or part of the screw

I would consider it to be part of the screw.

I wouldn’t. The event description never specified that the moved object has to be removable or unattached.

Wabbit wrote:

nicholasmaurer wrote:

Wabbit wrote:Do we think that the screw must be in contact with the object it is moving for the whole time? For example, if the screw was moved horizontally only about one centimeter, but made contact with a ball, hitting it and causing it to roll for an additional one or two centimeters, would that satisfy the rules?

The descriptions states that the screw must achieve two tasks: operating as a screw AND moving an object 2cm. I would argue if you bump a ball and simply allow it to roll, gravity is moving the ball for most of that 2cm, not the screw.

I wasn't thinking about using gravity or a ramp. If a screw with wide enough threads is turned fast enough it could hit a small ball and get it to roll across a flat surface. In this case, the screw would be providing all of the energy that the ball needs to move, but the screw would not need to move the full 2 cm itself.

Flavorflav wrote:

Wabbit wrote:

nicholasmaurer wrote:
The descriptions states that the screw must achieve two tasks: operating as a screw AND moving an object 2cm. I would argue if you bump a ball and simply allow it to roll, gravity is moving the ball for most of that 2cm, not the screw.

I wasn't thinking about using gravity or a ramp. If a screw with wide enough threads is turned fast enough it could hit a small ball and get it to roll across a flat surface. In this case, the screw would be providing all of the energy that the ball needs to move, but the screw would not need to move the full 2 cm itself.

You would have to convince me that the surface was indeed level, which might not be easy to do. It would be safer to make it incline slightly upward, so that it is clear that there is no gravity-assist.

Flavorflav wrote:

TheSquaad wrote:

cheese wrote: I would consider it to be part of the screw.

I wouldn’t. The event description never specified that the moved object has to be removable or unattached.

I would consider an attached object to be a part of the screw if and only if it rotates with the screw.

C8H10N4O2! wrote:If I have the screw turn to release an object that it is holding up, would that count as converting rotational to linear? I'm asking because the object drops straight down, and therefore is also technically moved by gravity, even though the screw allows it to move.
And if so, is this just a case of carefully wording my ASL?

PM2017 wrote:

C8H10N4O2! wrote:If I have the screw turn to release an object that it is holding up, would that count as converting rotational to linear? I'm asking because the object drops straight down, and therefore is also technically moved by gravity, even though the screw allows it to move.
And if so, is this just a case of carefully wording my ASL?

No, because gravity has to be the force turning the screw.

C8H10N4O2! wrote:

PM2017 wrote:

C8H10N4O2! wrote:If I have the screw turn to release an object that it is holding up, would that count as converting rotational to linear? I'm asking because the object drops straight down, and therefore is also technically moved by gravity, even though the screw allows it to move.
And if so, is this just a case of carefully wording my ASL?

No, because gravity has to be the force turning the screw.

But if gravity is the force turning the screw, then the screw turns 2 rotations (or more), which causes the object to fall (more than 2cm), it technically fits the rules?

Vstorm34 wrote:

C8H10N4O2! wrote:

PM2017 wrote: No, because gravity has to be the force turning the screw.

But if gravity is the force turning the screw, then the screw turns 2 rotations (or more), which causes the object to fall (more than 2cm), it technically fits the rules?

In this case, the object's descent is triggered by the screw, but it is moved by the force of gravity, not by the screw.