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dmis wrote:

ScottMaurer19 wrote:

SluffAndRuff wrote:What if I use a lever to force it downwards? Basically I'm using a third class lever where the coin is the load and having the lever rotate from horizontal to 135 degrees. So the coin is technically flipping sides while still in contact with the lever, but after the lever stops the coin is airborne before it hits the surface, which means it went from heads -> tails in the action while being airborne at some point...?

This is unofficial but Patrick Chalker (national ES) said that the above action is allowed at the coaches clinic. This was one of his recommendations if my coaches are to be trusted. Apparently the flip does not have to occur while the quarter is airborne.

@Chalker, it would be really great if we could get an official FAQ on this. I did exactly this and it wasn't accepted at Solon.

Patrick Chalker isn't the same chalker as the forums Chalker. I thought I heard the ES at Solon say in the morning that as long as the quarter was airborne somewhere in the flipping proccess then it would count but maybe this was wrong.

PS. I think my battery was undercharged yesterday so my mission didn't exactly work as normal and you may have beaten me.

ScottMaurer19 wrote:

dmis wrote:

ScottMaurer19 wrote: This is unofficial but Patrick Chalker (national ES) said that the above action is allowed at the coaches clinic. This was one of his recommendations if my coaches are to be trusted. Apparently the flip does not have to occur while the quarter is airborne.

@Chalker, it would be really great if we could get an official FAQ on this. I did exactly this and it wasn't accepted at Solon.

Patrick Chalker isn't the same chalker as the forums Chalker. I thought I heard the ES at Solon say in the morning that as long as the quarter was airborne somewhere in the flipping proccess then it would count but maybe this was wrong.

PS. I think my battery was undercharged yesterday so my mission didn't exactly work as normal and you may have beaten me.

My quarter was pretty close to 90 degrees (tails up) when it went airborne, but it did definitely go airborne at some point. I basically flipped it and dropped it, which I can see is pretty ambiguous.

Thanks for the correction about Chalker.

I added a few tasks at 2 AM last night that I thought would be easy, but didn't turn out to be. Everything was sloppy so I had a few failures. I wound up with a touch and a boundary violation and two of my tasks didn't count. Assuming I can come up with a better coin flip task and you don't mind, I'm going to try to find you at Mentor; I'm very curious if you approached everything the same way I did. If I can't get my own coin flip working though, I'll wait to watch yours because I don't want to be unfairly influenced. Apparently there is some simple and reliable method that I can't seem to think of. I was told it does not have to stay tail up, which seems to be ambiguous also.

dmis wrote:

ScottMaurer19 wrote:

dmis wrote:
@Chalker, it would be really great if we could get an official FAQ on this. I did exactly this and it wasn't accepted at Solon.

Patrick Chalker isn't the same chalker as the forums Chalker. I thought I heard the ES at Solon say in the morning that as long as the quarter was airborne somewhere in the flipping proccess then it would count but maybe this was wrong.

PS. I think my battery was undercharged yesterday so my mission didn't exactly work as normal and you may have beaten me.

My quarter was pretty close to 90 degrees (tails up) when it went airborne, but it did definitely go airborne at some point. I basically flipped it and dropped it, which I can see is pretty ambiguous.

Thanks for the correction about Chalker.

I added a few tasks at 2 AM last night that I thought would be easy, but didn't turn out to be. Everything was sloppy so I had a few failures. I wound up with a touch and a boundary violation and two of my tasks didn't count. Assuming I can come up with a better coin flip task and you don't mind, I'm going to try to find you at Mentor; I'm very curious if you approached everything the same way I did. If I can't get my own coin flip working though, I'll wait to watch yours because I don't want to be unfairly influenced. Apparently there is some simple and reliable method that I can't seem to think of. I was told it does not have to stay tail up, which seems to be ambiguous also.

Check your PMs.....

dmis wrote:

absolutezerok3 wrote:I got an idea which probably wont work but is worth a try:

WHat if you use like 10 quarters and push them off from a height. There practically a 100% chance that one of them will flip.

Im kindof a noob so would a supervisor actually score this?

I'd imagine that would be possible, but for the action to count, one of the quarters that flip would have to trigger the next action based on my reading of the rules.

Are you sure this will work

terence.tan wrote:

dmis wrote:

absolutezerok3 wrote:I got an idea which probably wont work but is worth a try:

WHat if you use like 10 quarters and push them off from a height. There practically a 100% chance that one of them will flip.

Im kindof a noob so would a supervisor actually score this?

I'd imagine that would be possible, but for the action to count, one of the quarters that flip would have to trigger the next action based on my reading of the rules.

Are you sure this will work

I'm not sure why it wouldn't, but I am not an ES.

dmis wrote:

terence.tan wrote:

dmis wrote:
I'd imagine that would be possible, but for the action to count, one of the quarters that flip would have to trigger the next action based on my reading of the rules.

Are you sure this will work

I'm not sure why it wouldn't, but I am not an ES.

Well which ever quarter was tails up would have to be the one to begin the next action and there in lies the problem with this

ScottMaurer19 wrote:

dmis wrote:

terence.tan wrote: Are you sure this will work

I'm not sure why it wouldn't, but I am not an ES.

Well which ever quarter was tails up would have to be the one to begin the next action and there in lies the problem with this

im flipping the coins into a cup which is attached to a pulley, but all of the coins contribute to the movement of the cup

terence.tan wrote:

ScottMaurer19 wrote:

dmis wrote:
I'm not sure why it wouldn't, but I am not an ES.

Well which ever quarter was tails up would have to be the one to begin the next action and there in lies the problem with this

im flipping the coins into a cup which is attached to a pulley, but all of the coins contribute to the movement of the cup

Would it work without that one coin?

ScottMaurer19 wrote:

terence.tan wrote:

ScottMaurer19 wrote: Well which ever quarter was tails up would have to be the one to begin the next action and there in lies the problem with this

im flipping the coins into a cup which is attached to a pulley, but all of the coins contribute to the movement of the cup

Would it work without that one coin?

The cup it empty at first. If i drop 1 penny it is not heavy enough, but if i flip mayne 10 pennies it will be enough to move the cup

terence.tan wrote:

ScottMaurer19 wrote:

terence.tan wrote: im flipping the coins into a cup which is attached to a pulley, but all of the coins contribute to the movement of the cup

Would it work without that one coin?

The cup it empty at first. If i drop 1 penny it is not heavy enough, but if i flip mayne 10 pennies it will be enough to move the cup

Random thought - must the coin flipping vs. not flipping be an integral part of the device? I.e. must the device be such that it will only proceed if the coin flips to count the coin flip task for points?