Robot Arm C

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For context, My school has different teams and I was on the lower team because of my inexperience with SciOly. After regional, they decided to put me on the States team which resulted in the reassignment of my events. I have 2 weeks to States with my new events and I cannot wait!!
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Alke wrote:For context, My school has different teams and I was on the lower team because of my inexperience with SciOly. After regional, they decided to put me on the States team which resulted in the reassignment of my events. I have 2 weeks to States with my new events and I cannot wait!!
Great that you love to learn! If you want the full, full experience, build it yourself. With the advent of 3D printing and laser cutters becoming available to many high schools and even students, learning how to CAD your idea into reality is a great experience and skill to have. There are many different types of robots you can build. Most kits are master-slave in which you (the master) directly control the robot (slave) either by a controller. The other type is the "hardcoded" type. In this type, the robot is precoded to do a certain set of commands to achieve the goal (of flipping pennies into the zone). The benefit of the former allows for your control to affect how the robot does and allows for a margin of error. However, the performance of the robot is reliant on the controller and is hard to achieve "perfect score". Many top scoring teams that I have seen use a hardcoded device due to its ability to get a perfect score. Many teams either 3D print or laser cut a stencil for the perfect score. They use two arms- one to pick up pennies, and one to hold the stencil correctly. To fit in the starting box, the arms are in straight up position at rest. The one hand/arm/claw picks up the stacks of pennies and keeps them in stacks, then flips it to tails, and drops it in a cylinder. Then, the cylinder moves to dispense the flipped pennies in the dispenser. If it is too late for that, then just use a kit. But the self-built robot arm will much better let you learn about servos, motors, coding, and design much better. Good luck at states!
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Alke wrote:I am new to Robotics and my team just assigned me to Robot Arm! I am planning on using an OWI kit from last year and modifying the end-effector. Obviously, I will not be competitive at States but I want to learn as much as possible. Any resources I should use or books I should read? Thank you
The best thing you can do is watch youtube videos and look at images kf other scioly robot arms online. This will give you both a good understanding of the best way to score as many points as you can as well as learning which designs work best. The OWI doesnt have a closed loop feedback so master slave is the way you will go. Practice a lot!
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Thank you, windu34 and Raleway! I appreciate it.
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Can someone please help me clarify this rule?

For Robot Arm, Rule 7.a, it says, “Any penny under or over another penny or not visible to the ES must not receive any points.”

My understanding is that any pennies that overlap, whether it is partially or fully, don't count. We have gone through a few invitationals and one regional so far. Sometimes they remove the overlapped ones on top, sometimes they don't remove them at all.

Which way is the correct way?

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tltang wrote:Can someone please help me clarify this rule?

For Robot Arm, Rule 7.a, it says, “Any penny under or over another penny or not visible to the ES must not receive any points.”

My understanding is that any pennies that overlap, whether it is partially or fully, don't count. We have gone through a few invitationals and one regional so far. Sometimes they remove the overlapped ones on top, sometimes they don't remove them at all.

Which way is the correct way?

Thanks,

Lisa
Yeah the response on the state website was rather vague. From everything I've heard, both pennies should be removed (can someone else with more knowledge of Robot Arm confirm?); no idea what they'll do at state.
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Unome wrote:
tltang wrote:Can someone please help me clarify this rule?

For Robot Arm, Rule 7.a, it says, “Any penny under or over another penny or not visible to the ES must not receive any points.”

My understanding is that any pennies that overlap, whether it is partially or fully, don't count. We have gone through a few invitationals and one regional so far. Sometimes they remove the overlapped ones on top, sometimes they don't remove them at all.

Which way is the correct way?

Thanks,

Lisa
Yeah the response on the state website was rather vague. From everything I've heard, both pennies should be removed (can someone else with more knowledge of Robot Arm confirm?); no idea what they'll do at state.
Both pennies should be removed, I think the rule is as clear as can be. Of course this doesn't stop some tournaments from scoring it differently.
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Not official, just reading english.

Carefully written, notice those are "or" conditions, not "and". If any one of the statements is true, the whole statement is true and the action is implemented.

And yes, an ES can misinterpret at any given tournament in which case the higher level officials will probably back the ES as 'equally unfair to all'. And generally you can't appeal what the ES does or does not do with other teams, only about your own actions or how they judge you. If you appeal the scoring in say the middle of the day, how do they go back and 're-score' the earlier competitors?

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Here is a video of my 2016-2017 robot arm with which i was able to get a perfect score fairly consistently:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27ws5wOY57g

Enjoy!
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Bazinga+ wrote:Here is a video of my 2016-2017 robot arm with which i was able to get a perfect score fairly consistently:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27ws5wOY57g

Enjoy!
What would the components in an such as that cost?

Very impressive design. Nice to finally see a perfect score.
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