Scioly Assassination 77: Coup d'état

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paleonaps wrote:
zyzzyva98 wrote:
paleonaps wrote:3. I'm happy to hear that you thought it was clever. It's hard to impress you. I think I should have given more to the officers, but I have something against Z (only in the games) for some reason. Maybe it's because he doesn't die often.
Not to bring this up again, but it's totally because of this: http://scioly.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php? ... 05#p126282

Huh, I thought you might have edited that by now. Maybe you really were mad. :P
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You weren't active back then. It was the only post of mine involving annoying images that was received positively.
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zyzzyva98 wrote:
paleonaps wrote:3. I'm happy to hear that you thought it was clever. It's hard to impress you. I think I should have given more to the officers, but I have something against Z (only in the games) for some reason. Maybe it's because he doesn't die often.
Not to bring this up again, but it's totally because of this: http://scioly.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php? ... 05#p126282

Huh, I thought you might have edited that by now. Maybe you really were mad. :P
Lol, that's the arghhhhh you used with the eagle on pineappoloi.
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paleonaps wrote:I will respond to your responses.
1. I didn't realize that numbers don't shift. I just did it in my head, and have never actually used a bot to solve Caesar shifts due to their simplicity.
2. Well, I solved it for you. I wouldn't have let you do this one alone- it was too vague.
3. This was vague, but I think that I made it simply because I would have made the connection. After Koko died because of an allusion to cocoa, anything that remotely relates to the bean sends up a red flag in my mind.
4. I actually expected this to be solved, after space scientist mentioned him. I was also trying to get a kill, and had a feeling that this one was my best bet.
5. Well, this was supposed to be hard. It was. I was giving you two possible connections for a reason.

1. harryk wanted to die, and this was to let him. That's the only reason I made this so vague. Otherwise, I had a better clue for someone else.
2. I tried to trip off space scientist's alert by matching this up to paleontology (another science). I was also betting that he would self-protect anyway. He didn't, and that's why this clue became so objectionable.
3. I'm happy to hear that you thought it was clever. It's hard to impress you. I think I should have given more to the officers, but I have something against Z (only in the games) for some reason. Maybe it's because he doesn't die often.
4. This was supposed to be harder. I was going to replace "2nd degree murder" with manslaughter so that there was an extra step, but I forgot to...anyway, it kind of worked out.
5. Again, I really needed to kill amerikestrel. So I made a bad clue. I admit this is far too vague, but I was really hinging my bets on all of the other clues being solved.

As for the ID clue, I planned to make it so that they would get progressively less vague. I felt that this was enough to get started on without giving too much away.
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1. Yeah but you always always have to check your clues.
2. Fair enough.
3. Yeah you would have made the connection, but you were making the clue. Lots of cultures used lots of different currencies, many of them food as I already metioned. Its too much of an open ended clue to reach cocoa beans.
4. The fact that space scientist mentioned him and we didn't act on it should've told you something. One that we were unsure that it was spielberg in the first place and thus didn't act on it. Two, there is little connection between Spielberg and Stroudsburg. It was too vague naps. Furthermore, your attitude of "I should get to kill someone" is wrong, we'll get to that later.
5. No, having two connections does not make it easier. Look we got the deadliest warrior one, but how in the world would we know that it was related to what rhymed with Geist? Thats vague to start with. IF AND ONLY IF we had gotten BOTH of them, MAYBE JUST MAYBE we would've noticed a coincidence with geist. But even then that would be hard to find. And that is supposing we could find out it referred to the Alien in the first place. Which as I mentioned, was a slim to nil chance to begin with. Giving two was not a way to help us, it was necessary in the first place. Hard is fine, but too hard.

1. Harryk die whether or not was his choice affected us. It would lower the threshold of how many assassinations we had to win. You don't get a free kill just because the previous sassy wanted to die, that was unfair to us. The clue as I mentioned was near impossible, and very subjective.
2. Right because there are a lot of similarities between Astronomy and Paleontology? That didn't make it easier at all... again there was no way to come to the conclusion that it was astronomy.
3. No comment, but I am getting to the mentality that you have on how to kill.
4. I'm glad you didn't, it was your only reasonable one.
5. Yeah you've had this mentality of "I really wanted to kill this person, so I made a hard/vague clue". That type of mentality is unfair towards us, because we lose an officer/informant/civilian, and the number of required accusations drops. The whole point of the game is that you have to outsmart us first before killing someone. This defies that whole point. Yes it was alright for you to make some hard ones to get kills more commonly... but I still find it unfair.

Despite that I do see that it wasn't your intention to make these that unfair, so I'm sorry the tone in my comments unfortunately is negative :/.
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RandomPerson wrote: 1. Harryk die whether or not was his choice affected us. It would lower the threshold of how many assassinations we had to win. You don't get a free kill just because the previous sassy wanted to die, that was unfair to us. The clue as I mentioned was near impossible, and very subjective.
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mingtian wrote: Lol, that's the arghhhhh you used with the eagle on pineappoloi.
What?

Random, I understand that it was unfair to you all that I tried to assure myself a kill each round. However, the fact is that I would have run out of clues very quickly because I was giving them five at a time, and I felt that it was almost a kind of necessity for me to kill one person each burst. What chance was there for me to win anyway? I had ten officers, of whom half were VERY VERY GOOD officers with lots of experience. To quote Doctor Evil "Throw me a frikkin bone here!" So what, I lose with 27 kills or accusations left instead of 29? What does it matter? If I had won, then believe me, you would be angrier and I would be more apologetic.
As for my first clue, I did check it- it didn't even occur to me that not everyone solves it in their head.
For my third, yes, many cultures have different currencies, but the cocoa thing not only came up in kjhs's round but in the second TAR, and I have heard in many places. So I kind of thought that one of the ten officers would make the connection. Also, tiger body parts are sold a lot on the black market, and make lots of money, so tiger could have been justified here as well.
Fourth, well, I agree with you. I was trying to think of a clue for EAST that wouldn't be too familiar. I would have put this at the end, making it the hardest, but the one for fmtiger was a lot harder.
Speaking of which, yeah, this was hard. Way too hard. I have two justifications- 1, that he protected himself anyway based on a cat reference, and 2, that Max Geiger did a lot of stuff for Deadliest Warrior, including creating the show. mingtian got on it, but seemed to abandon the trail. Anyway, I admit it was terrible. But what did you lose from it? Until the game wrapped everyone thought it was pointing to Kokonilly anyway!

Well, I blame harryk for this one, but in response to your point about the threshold- IT DOESN'T MATTER. I LOST QUICKLY, ABOUT 25 KILLS LEFT!
For the second, well, no they're not similar, but I was trying to tip him off. Maybe saying "My favorite science is both old and new..." would make space scientist say "Wait, mine is too!" As it turned out, he didn't really log on for the second burst at all, but he was pretty active for the first and I saw no reason to suspect that he wouldn't be.
I should never have changed the third one. It was originally "He's getting shortchanged for a dollar." This would have added that the victim is male, and included the whole thing about 100 cents. I think it would have been more fair.
This was a hard clue. I knew it wouldn't be solved, but I anticipated a protect on kestrel because he was so valuable. So I didn't bother dumbing it down. And if I had gotten the kill? YIPPEE! 5 kills until fmtiger got me. Out of 30. Big whoop.

Anyway, I'm sorry if I sound annoyed in this post, because I'm not, I'm just trying to display the full picture. I'm already working on more clues that I hope will be more fair, so that on the off-chance I ever get chosen again, I will give people what they want.
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Wow. Just wow. I wake up in the morning and find that a whole 2 pages have been posted. And while I admit that the thought of clue bursts was interesting and fresh and new and all, I think the clues should be WAY pre-planned beforehand before anyone uses clue bursts again, because I love the idea of it, but because you had to release 5 clues at simultaneously, I feel like the quality of those clues dropped quite a bit. However, the idea of clue bursts intrigues me and I really love your shortchanged clue - I find it sort of clever.
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We were just talking about this on chat last night, on how some games work better on paper than they do in real life. (We definitely did NOT mention number 50). This is simply one of those games. Interesting premise, poor result, and I think it will be awhile before anyone tries to double the number of officers again.
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which 50 the twist or scyla scepter on e appeared to be a fail one was the best game ever
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quadratic wrote:which 50 the twist or scyla scepter on e appeared to be a fail one was the best game ever
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