Scioly Assassination 77: Coup d'état

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Nice game, liked the premise and the storytelling...although not so much the clues (sorry). I've never been one for word clues anyways, but a couple of these seemed quite vague.
RandomPerson wrote:Oh darn, I forgot to yell at you for not releasing clue solutions right after the burst.

No I'm really serious, I think it should be a rule that clues need to be revealed during the game, not at the end.
Agreed, Randy...revealing the solutions at the end means that someone could hypothetically make unsolvable clues and say "oops, so-and-so is dead because you couldn't solve it" and we'd be none the wiser. I personally like revealing the solutions straight after, and doing so would lead to generally better clues, imo, because the sassy could find out quickly what style clues are "good" and which ones have too tenuous of a connection to the victim to make good clues.
fmtiger124 wrote:Three things:
1. naps..care to give us the exact youtube link, i just tried shifts of both 1 and 25 plugged them into youtube and neither worked
Aye, I tried every single caesarian shift (1 through 25) when we were first attempting to solve that clue and came up with nothing. Not to single you out, but I think sassys ought to try to solve their own clues to make sure they're solvable...perhaps something for future sassys to keep in mind.
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Little vague on the clues, to be honest. It's not a surprise that we didn't solve them correctly.
Assassinator wrote:3. They’re getting shortchanged. This was to kill Z. I really wanted him dead, so I made a really vague clue. 98 is two cents short of a dollar. (I know, it's a terrible clue, but I ran out of clues to target him in my first game. He was half of the clues I gave.)
Lawls. Though to be honest, I think games that consistently target the same person over and over (Hi fm) are some of the most entertaining. Adds some humor to the otherwise morbid proceedings.
Assassinator wrote:One final remark: quadratic, you show signs of becoming a good officer. Lay off the spam and live up to your potential. You deserve more respect.
This, but not just about assassination games. If you put as much effort into helping people out as you do in your- erm- other endeavors, you could earn the respect of a lot of people. Just saying. It's your call.
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Re: Scioly Assassination 77: Coup d'état

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zyzzyva98 wrote:
quadratic wrote:
zyzzyva98 wrote:I accuse kjhsscioly because I have nothing better to do (and nothing good comes from doing nothing), and I also actually have a legitimate reason for doing so because JJ Abrams did Star Trek and all that good stuff.

I go away from the internet for a week and I feel like my internet language skills have suffered. Anyone agree?
zyzzyva98 wrote:Since I won't be on regularly for awhile (as explained on YDRC), I guess I'll go ahead and protect now.

I protect myself because clue 3 says the target is money. Money is awesome, and I am awesome, so it all makes sense. :P
z please if you don't want to actually try than give up your spot
Please. I'm playing, aren't I? I'm just having fun with it. That accusation had more reasons than the one I gave, I was just too lazy to type them.
then why am I who you has always failed at sassy games 2/0 while your 1/1
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Right I was just going to edit my last post, but I want this to get more attention:

Alright onto the criticisms, I don't mean to antagonize you here naps, but I need to reinforce my evidence for the "clues must be explained during the game" rule:
1. wyk2SEcq_jF- just a little different. The underscore and capitalization stay. I am still surprised that you didn't answer this correctly. It's only a shift by one. It should become vxj1RDbp_iE, and that is the end of the URL of a YouTube video that has a subtitle about pet cobras in the beginning. Thus, ophiophagus.
Yeah there was a reason we didn't find it out. The deciphering tool we commonly use for ciphers (because I did actually try ceasarian shifts into youtube without luck) doesn't affect numbers only letters. Meaning that "2" in "wyk2SEcq_jF" wouldn't have changed, and the link broken. I'm pretty sure this is standard for ceasarian shifts but you may have found a tool that included it, or you may have just done it in your head and didn't know that.

This was an okay clue but ultimately unfair because of this (you should've tried using a decipher tool, and checked, but it appears to be an honest mistake) but you could've compensated us for this if you had revealed it then, after you killed ophiophagus with it.
2. You are a cat. You are not Scottish, and neither was our mother! Well, I answered this to avert suspicion. I correctly solved it too. Surprising, isn't it? IT was aubrey048
I guess I can't really complain seeing as you did solve it. But I thinking figuring out that it was referring to catscratch based on a cat, and that cat not being scottish was really really obscure. Without seeing the show, I don't think we ever could've solve this. This one is pretty bad.
3. My victim is worshipped. I could sell their body parts for lots of money. After all, they ARE money… The cocoa bean was used as currency in the Aztec empire. Thus, Kokonilly.
Body parts is a term almost exclusively used for you know, animals. Plants technically have "body parts" but when we say body parts, we think legs, arms, faces, etc. Not plants. Ultimately it was valid but extremely hard. I really don't know how we would've arrived at cocoa beans, many many things were worshiped by old cultures, and many of those were used as money.

I'll even give an example, in many african tribes Yams were/are used as currency, and from a certain perspective are so valued that they are worshipped. At that point, they fit the bill just as well as cocoa beans, and I think many other things would as well.
4. He may be the most revered filmmaker of all time. And when you think about it, no one has a name like him. This will point you in the right direction. This was purposefully vague. Steven Spielberg is widely regarded to be the most talented filmmaker of the present day. Spielberg rhymes with Stroudsburg, and starts with the same letter. Thus, EASTstroudsburg13.
Yeah this is your first clue that is honestly pretty bad. Stroudsburg does not rhyme with Spielberg. Rather the ending sounds the same. But honestly they're very different words, and if we came up with Spielberg as the most revered filmmaker, it wouldn't make sense to go to EAST based on that alone. There is too little a connection.

This is of course presuming we could get to Spielberg in the first place. There are tons of filmmakers with similar prestige to Spielberg, Spielberg has a more unique name then most of them do, but that doesn't single him out alone.

Together those two things made this clue... well quite harsh.
5. My last victim is like the man who made the “anatomical” {If you get my drift} movie monster. Or maybe it’s best to compare him to the deadliest warrior. They are the same, anyway. Just use your kindergarten-taught linguistic skills. This was one of my favorite clues ever. I think I first thought it up during my first game. The "anatomical" part was because I didn't want to write "phallic" on the forum unless absolutely necessary. That referred to the Alien (or Xenomorph, if you prefer) and its creator, H. R. Geiger. Deadliest Warrior is a show on Spike TV that is hosted by Max Geiger. Your kindergarten-taught linguistic skill? Rhyming. And what rhymes with Geiger? Tiger.
Yeah this one is also quite bad. Purely because I have no idea how we could get the Alien from anatomical. There are a lot of detailed movie monsters with complex anatomies.
Beyond that, we guessed the Deadliest Warrior connection, so the rest of this holds up. It was still very hard (you would have to by chance realize that the creaters/hosts of both had a common name) but not BS.

1. He ruins his nick. So nice and pretty, perfectly legible…and then BAM! right in the face. This clue was made because harryk asked me to kill him. The reasoning here was that harryk is a word that you can read, until the "K".
This one is really really subjective. You could apply this to a tremendous lists of usernames. On my mind in particular was robodude/brobo. You could argue that robodude was nice and perfectly legible, but that brobo was strange and I guess "in your face". We could also argue the same about inyuyashakusho (I know I spelled that wrong) / Deeisenberg from a certain perspective.
Additionally, its also very subjective that the "k" in harryk makes it illegible.

So I have no idea how we would have solved this one.
2. Both old and new, this victim is perfectly balanced. I like that. This referred to astronomy. Astronomy has been practiced since ancient times, but has also had significant modernization. This was to kill off space scientist, because I had other plans on how to kill Alpha.
Lots of things other than astronomy have been both old and new, I'd say perhaps working with metals, architecture, and storytelling for some vague examples. Admittedly they're not quite as strong as astronomy but, what would tip us off that it was astronomy? Nothing I'm afraid naps. So this one was pretty bad as well.
3. They’re getting shortchanged. This was to kill Z. I really wanted him dead, so I made a really vague clue. 98 is two cents short of a dollar. (I know, it's a terrible clue, but I ran out of clues to target him in my first game. He was half of the clues I gave.)
You admit this is terrible, and actually I'd say this isn't quite as bad as some of your other clues. I actually find it rather clever, and I think it could've been saved with more information.
Regardless, its alright to let a few bad clues slide occasionally if you're short on time. But always make them easy and not hard if you just need a clue to stall for time. No excuse for knowing it was bad and letting it go anyway.

4 is not bad.
5. This accent {or dialect, I won’t be picky} almost made Joseph incomprehensible. I didn’t understand him until I saw the solution to the clue.
Again, a cheap clue to kill someone important. This referred to Joseph in Wuthering Heights, who has a very strong Yorkshire accent. If you read about this accent on Wikipedia, it says that a good movie to hear this accent in is Kes, a movie about a boy and his pet Kestrel. Sorry, amerikestrel.
Horrible, tons of people named Joseph have accents. I don't think I need to elaborate on this.

Honestly I think this clue would've actually targeted the user yoseph (or was it yosef? He hasn't been active lately) better, due to its similarity to Joseph, as if it was in an accent.

As I said before, a clue occasionally that isn't great is alright to let slip, but you shouldn't be doing it this much.
And finally, the ID clue. J.J. Abrams's first success was the show ALIAS. Balista was a Roman general, who also went by Callistus. Callistus is the middle name of the paleontologist I met and have been in contact with. Maybe if anyone had responded to my posts about it in YDRC, you would have known.
That is also a very farfetched clue, virtually impossible to solve. This is less of a problem in an identity clue, much less a first one (the first identity clue I had was even worse than this to be fair) but I think you should strive for a little easier even here.

Naps I'm sorry but I'm going to have to go back on my word about saying these clues weren't quite horrible, I hadn't read the 2nd burst solutions at that point. I'm afraid they were downright terrible!

So I return to my initial point. These clues were quite unfair (sorry naps, not trying to be harsh to you for personal reasons or anything) and had tiger not guessed correctly, this would have gone on. We would not have been able to call him out on the bs clues and he would have had an unfair advantage because of that. I think sassys need to be held responsible for the clues they make during the game, when it can be rectified.
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quadratic wrote:
zyzzyva98 wrote:
quadratic wrote: z please if you don't want to actually try than give up your spot
Please. I'm playing, aren't I? I'm just having fun with it. That accusation had more reasons than the one I gave, I was just too lazy to type them.
then why am I who you has always failed at sassy games 2/0 while your 1/1
Quadratic, if you want anyone to take you seriously, improve your grammar. I don't have the faintest idea what you're trying to say nor does anyone else on chat.

In other news, I sent the pm so with some luck, the next game will be up tonight.
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mingtian wrote:Does anybody else think it's fm? The argument they ha sounded set up. Also the sassy used the term bs which only a couple of people use like paleonaps.

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I will respond to your responses.
1. I didn't realize that numbers don't shift. I just did it in my head, and have never actually used a bot to solve Caesar shifts due to their simplicity.
2. Well, I solved it for you. I wouldn't have let you do this one alone- it was too vague.
3. This was vague, but I think that I made it simply because I would have made the connection. After Koko died because of an allusion to cocoa, anything that remotely relates to the bean sends up a red flag in my mind.
4. I actually expected this to be solved, after space scientist mentioned him. I was also trying to get a kill, and had a feeling that this one was my best bet.
5. Well, this was supposed to be hard. It was. I was giving you two possible connections for a reason.

1. harryk wanted to die, and this was to let him. That's the only reason I made this so vague. Otherwise, I had a better clue for someone else.
2. I tried to trip off space scientist's alert by matching this up to paleontology (another science). I was also betting that he would self-protect anyway. He didn't, and that's why this clue became so objectionable.
3. I'm happy to hear that you thought it was clever. It's hard to impress you. I think I should have given more to the officers, but I have something against Z (only in the games) for some reason. Maybe it's because he doesn't die often.
4. This was supposed to be harder. I was going to replace "2nd degree murder" with manslaughter so that there was an extra step, but I forgot to...anyway, it kind of worked out.
5. Again, I really needed to kill amerikestrel. So I made a bad clue. I admit this is far too vague, but I was really hinging my bets on all of the other clues being solved.

As for the ID clue, I planned to make it so that they would get progressively less vague. I felt that this was enough to get started on without giving too much away.
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paleonaps wrote:3. I'm happy to hear that you thought it was clever. It's hard to impress you. I think I should have given more to the officers, but I have something against Z (only in the games) for some reason. Maybe it's because he doesn't die often.
Not to bring this up again, but it's totally because of this: http://scioly.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php? ... 05#p126282

Huh, I thought you might have edited that by now. Maybe you really were mad. :P
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Well I guess one thing that does sort of justify the easy-kill clues is the fact that there were 10 officers and 30 kills to win, so unless naps killed on a regular basis this game could've taken months
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zyzzyva98 wrote:
paleonaps wrote:3. I'm happy to hear that you thought it was clever. It's hard to impress you. I think I should have given more to the officers, but I have something against Z (only in the games) for some reason. Maybe it's because he doesn't die often.
Not to bring this up again, but it's totally because of this: http://scioly.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php? ... 05#p126282

Huh, I thought you might have edited that by now. Maybe you really were mad. :P
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