Re: Boomilever B/C
Posted: October 29th, 2012, 9:25 pm
Hey, so Im just wondering what you guys think. For the mounting base of the boomilever do you think that area should be compromised for lightweight or vica versa? Thanks 

Uh, this link is about how this forum is not for official rules clarifications. Noobforce's Q1 is really .....just a misunderstanding, vs needing/asking for any official clarification. There are 3 holes- one in the center, and one on either side. The side holes are 10 cm from the center hole, so they are 20cm apart. You can hook the boom up on one, or two, or three if you want. Simple as that.juicemanman wrote:Erm... http://www.scioly.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=147&t=3876noobforce wrote:Thanks guys! I have a few more questions:
1. The rules say the Testing Wall needs to be at least 40.0 cm wide. Then it says the middle mounting hole must be centered on the wall, and the centers of the other holes placed 10 cm from the center of the middle hole. Does this mean the distance between the middle hole and a side hole is 10 cm, and the distance from one side hole to the other side hole is 10cm? Because if the distance between the center hole and the other side hole is 10cm, the Boomilever would be pretty big..
2. On the Boomilever Wiki Page, it says:
According to the esteemed Bob Monetza: "You'd want to get the point of support as close as possible to the center of the block. If the center of the block is beyond the connection point between the tension and compression chord, it will cause bending of the compression chord, like a diving board."
I understand that if the block is beyond the connection point, the compression chord would become weaker. Then if this is known, why did these boomilevers have the block beyond the connection? Wouldn't it be better to have it before the connection point?
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Balsa Man wrote:Uh, this link is about how this forum is not for official rules clarifications. Noobforce's Q1 is really .....just a misunderstanding, vs needing/asking for any official clarification. There are 3 holes- one in the center, and one on either side. The side holes are 10 cm from the center hole, so they are 20cm apart. You can hook the boom up on one, or two, or three if you want. Simple as that.juicemanman wrote:Erm... http://www.scioly.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=147&t=3876noobforce wrote:Thanks guys! I have a few more questions:
1. The rules say the Testing Wall needs to be at least 40.0 cm wide. Then it says the middle mounting hole must be centered on the wall, and the centers of the other holes placed 10 cm from the center of the middle hole. Does this mean the distance between the middle hole and a side hole is 10 cm, and the distance from one side hole to the other side hole is 10cm? Because if the distance between the center hole and the other side hole is 10cm, the Boomilever would be pretty big..
2. On the Boomilever Wiki Page, it says:
According to the esteemed Bob Monetza: "You'd want to get the point of support as close as possible to the center of the block. If the center of the block is beyond the connection point between the tension and compression chord, it will cause bending of the compression chord, like a diving board."
I understand that if the block is beyond the connection point, the compression chord would become weaker. Then if this is known, why did these boomilevers have the block beyond the connection? Wouldn't it be better to have it before the connection point?
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Q2 is clearly a design question, having nothing to do with any rules clarification. Quick answer on why the booms shown had the configuration they did - because they did. Just because there is a posted picture doesn't mean the design was good/successful. Better to have T-memb connection past the block center? that would also induce bowing in the compression member; as Bob is correctly quoted, "support as close as possible to the center of the block" is what you need to minimize bending forces. The compression member has to carry the axial compression load put on by the sand bucket (~40kg in a C-boom, ~30kg in a B-boom with 15kg inthe bucket). If there are forces bowing it, it has to carry/control the additional force, i.e., has to be heavier...
The short answer to your question is no, but let me take a few minutes to give a long answer as to why, and some thoughts to help guide thinking about how get to good ideas.XXiggy_gimXX wrote:Hey, I am wondering, does anyone know if round/cicular designed are good for a boomilever? What I mean is making the boomilever a semi-circle or something. I know making it will be hard, but I am trying to think out side the straight sticks of balsa wood glued together.
Thanks
Well, you have to support the load block, so 40cm + 1/2 of 1/4" (the eyebolt thru the load block), and then enough to support the load block beyond the eyebolt hole. Does that have to be the full 2 1/2cm beyond the center of the load block? No, it's really a judgement call how much you need.jma wrote:If the distance from the face of the testing wall to the center of the loading block is at least 40 cm, does that mean that i have to build the boomilever at least 42.5 cm long?
Attaching with screws would make it much easier to take down when you're done...flyingwatermelon wrote:Does anyone have any recommendations or plans for building a testing rig? I'm planning to install a testing rig on the side of my garage but that involves nailing the rig to the beam of the house. I am sure there is a better solution to this, does anyone have ideas?
Well I was thinking of a transportable testing rig that didn't have to be installed to a wall.Balsa Man wrote:Attaching with screws would make it much easier to take down when you're done...flyingwatermelon wrote:Does anyone have any recommendations or plans for building a testing rig? I'm planning to install a testing rig on the side of my garage but that involves nailing the rig to the beam of the house. I am sure there is a better solution to this, does anyone have ideas?