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Goodcheer, try to put all of your posts into one, or use the edit button please! It reduces spam and doesn't get people on the forum angry! Thanks!

So we have to use a different motor to lift each golf ball??? I mean that way would for sure work but I would think it would be a huge waste of space.

Since the ETS only needs to be initiated by the process of the golf ball moving in, that could be considered the motor lifting the golf ball. The ETS must also cause the next ball to move toward and into the jug, so if the ETS causes the ball to go into the motor which lifts the ball, that would fulfill that requirement too. Essentially: Motor lifts ball into jug causing ETS causing ball to go into motor that lifts it again. Even if it is the same motor, the ETS is in between and the motor does not contribute towards the "scoreable transfer". I mean based on their submitted ASL they label the end of each ETS when the ball goes in, but if you put the 50 points before the ball rolls into the lifting device that may work as a way to show this. My explanation/logic is a little sketchy but hopefully it makes sense...

SWAnG wrote:So we have to use a different motor to lift each golf ball??? I mean that way would for sure work but I would think it would be a huge waste of space.

Since the ETS only needs to be initiated by the process of the golf ball moving in, that could be considered the motor lifting the golf ball. The ETS must also cause the next ball to move toward and into the jug, so if the ETS causes the ball to go into the motor which lifts the ball, that would fulfill that requirement too. Essentially: Motor lifts ball into jug causing ETS causing ball to go into motor that lifts it again. Even if it is the same motor, the ETS is in between and the motor does not contribute towards the "scoreable transfer". I mean based on their submitted ASL they label the end of each ETS when the ball goes in, but if you put the 50 points before the ball rolls into the lifting device that may work as a way to show this. My explanation/logic is a little sketchy but hopefully it makes sense...

In my opinion, I just don't think that will work. An ETS must have an initiating golf ball and an ending golf ball for it to be a scoreable transfer. The ending golf ball of one ETS is the initiating golf ball of the next ETS. It doesn't seem like you can use one lift for both balls because it would contribute to two scoreable transfers, whereas the rule under consideration allows it to contribute to only one scoreable transfer.

Note, there are other ways to lift a golf ball that don't require a motor each time.

XJcwolfyX wrote:Goodcheer, try to put all of your posts into one, or use the edit button please! It reduces spam and doesn't get people on the forum angry! Thanks!

The questions I am attempting to help with are not all in one post, so my answers are not all in one post. If this is making someone angry, it is not my fault. This is my favorite event and I really enjoy digging down into the nitty gritty nut and bolts involved. And I like Spam with crackers.

Regarding the question for clarification about a ball or switch triggering the start of the next energy transfer sequence, this is my perspective. The rules clearly say that the ball must trigger the next energy transfer while on the way to falling into the jug (I have paraphrased). This means that the ball must initiate the activity that starts the energy transfer, not an elevator or pulley. The best way to look at it is that if the switch needs to be held down by the elevator or pulley in order for the next energy transfer sequence to be valid....the judges will probably not allow the sequence. This is because it is not the ball that initiated the transfer and insured the transfer would be successful. Although the ball may trigger the switch, it would be the elevator or pulley that holds down the switch so that the next energy transfer is successful.

Tower Mind wrote:Regarding the question for clarification about a ball or switch triggering the start of the next energy transfer sequence, this is my perspective. The rules clearly say that the ball must trigger the next energy transfer while on the way to falling into the jug (I have paraphrased). This means that the ball must initiate the activity that starts the energy transfer, not an elevator or pulley. The best way to look at it is that if the switch needs to be held down by the elevator or pulley in order for the next energy transfer sequence to be valid....the judges will probably not allow the sequence. This is because it is not the ball that initiated the transfer and insured the transfer would be successful. Although the ball may trigger the switch, it would be the elevator or pulley that holds down the switch so that the next energy transfer is successful.

The one who made that post pointed out it is the "process" of the golf ball going into the jug, so I think that is a good point. I'm like you though, it might be safer to make the golf ball itself trigger the next step.

fanjiatian wrote:
I'm still confused about the definition of "process" after reading the clarifications Sorry if this is extremely obvious
Let's say you have a pulley system such that a golf ball is in a container, and that container goes up to a certain point before it pivots to release a golfball. Lets also assume the ETS will be triggered by a switch positioned at the top of the pulley. Does the ball itself have to hit the switch? Or can the container containing the ball hit the switch? Either way the switch would be triggered at the same time and after the ball starts dropping into the jug; just a question of whether "process" entails the ball itself, or whether it encompasses anything related to that action.

This clarification didn't help at all lol. http://soinc.org/node/1455

If you use a different motor to lift each ball, but had the balls go up the same lift (just a different motor powers it each time) would this be considered reusing a component? Since the actual ETS is the E-M (turning on the motor), and the part when it is utilizing the component is not "scoreable" as it is M-M.

To all of you using motors, which motors are you using and how do you connect the motor to things that help you do work? Where can I find accessories and components that connect to motors?

phil9047 wrote:To all of you using motors, which motors are you using and how do you connect the motor to things that help you do work? Where can I find accessories and components that connect to motors?

It depends what you are using them for. RadioShack has a good selection for various uses, as do many local hobby stores. Don't get anything too big, because space is essential in the box. However, don't get the smallest ones either, because they aren't guaranteed to do whatever you need them to do, or quickly enough at that. Hobby shops will certainly have many things you can adapt onto motors.

phil9047 wrote:To all of you using motors, which motors are you using and how do you connect the motor to things that help you do work? Where can I find accessories and components that connect to motors?

Motors can be obtained from old toys, RC cars, cordless screwdrivers, etc. Accessories can be glued on, duct taped, wired, etc. One of ours is a cordless screwdriver with a thread spool attached to the end. You have to take the old screwdriver apart to get to the wiring and attach it to a battery to see if it works. Keep the gear housing though. You can use a hacksaw to cut away portions of the handle you don't need. Lots of other possibilities out there.