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I agree with this as it can cause an inaccurate representation of a team as a whole.

Name wrote: Or if you miss nats by like 20 pts but got DQed/tiered in some event

Eagle Hill.

TheChiScientist wrote:Can't help but feel bad for teams that miss nationals by one point. Even then any team that comes within 5 points wonders what could have been improved on.

Murphy.

Tbh I also feel bad for teams in other states that bring more than 1 team to states and lose that way. Why would a team do that? Basically, each team would want to beat the other but the better scores in events would only count for one team with a few events, so the team that did overall better would lose.

kate! wrote:

Name wrote: Or if you miss nats by like 20 pts but got DQed/tiered in some event

Eagle Hill.

TheChiScientist wrote:Can't help but feel bad for teams that miss nationals by one point. Even then any team that comes within 5 points wonders what could have been improved on.

Murphy.

Tbh I also feel bad for teams in other states that bring more than 1 team to states and lose that way. Why would a team do that? Basically, each team would want to beat the other but the better scores in events would only count for one team with a few events, so the team that did overall better would lose.

Montgomery lost very controversially in 2017 to South by one point.
I feel like bringing more than one team to any competition (other than invitationals) isn't a good idea (unless you are really really really confident that you can qualify for states/nationals).

pb5754[] wrote:

kate! wrote:

Name wrote: Or if you miss nats by like 20 pts but got DQed/tiered in some event

Eagle Hill.

TheChiScientist wrote:Can't help but feel bad for teams that miss nationals by one point. Even then any team that comes within 5 points wonders what could have been improved on.

Murphy.

Tbh I also feel bad for teams in other states that bring more than 1 team to states and lose that way. Why would a team do that? Basically, each team would want to beat the other but the better scores in events would only count for one team with a few events, so the team that did overall better would lose.

Montgomery lost very controversially in 2017 to South by one point.
I feel like bringing more than one team to any competition (other than invitationals) isn't a good idea (unless you are really really really confident that you can qualify for states/nationals).

*ahem* big mistake, St. Joseph's from Idaho. Also, a lot of people speculate that Troy doesn't bring their best team to states, since they seem to not annihilate everyone there (in a lot of individual events), but at nats they usually win.

pb5754[] wrote:

kate! wrote:

Name wrote: Or if you miss nats by like 20 pts but got DQed/tiered in some event

Eagle Hill.

TheChiScientist wrote:Can't help but feel bad for teams that miss nationals by one point. Even then any team that comes within 5 points wonders what could have been improved on.

Murphy.

Tbh I also feel bad for teams in other states that bring more than 1 team to states and lose that way. Why would a team do that? Basically, each team would want to beat the other but the better scores in events would only count for one team with a few events, so the team that did overall better would lose.

Montgomery lost very controversially in 2017 to South by one point.
I feel like bringing more than one team to any competition (other than invitationals) isn't a good idea (unless you are really really really confident that you can qualify for states/nationals).

Yeah at least for states bringing more than one team, unless your completely sure you have your best competitors on the same team, would only bring down your chances of winning.

hippo9 wrote:

pb5754[] wrote:

kate! wrote: Eagle Hill.

Murphy.

Tbh I also feel bad for teams in other states that bring more than 1 team to states and lose that way. Why would a team do that? Basically, each team would want to beat the other but the better scores in events would only count for one team with a few events, so the team that did overall better would lose.

Montgomery lost very controversially in 2017 to South by one point.
I feel like bringing more than one team to any competition (other than invitationals) isn't a good idea (unless you are really really really confident that you can qualify for states/nationals).

Yeah at least for states bringing more than one team, unless your completely sure you have your best competitors on the same team, would only bring down your chances of winning.

Not necessarily. A second team could also increase the gap between a winning team and their competitor.

Unome wrote:

hippo9 wrote:

pb5754[] wrote: Montgomery lost very controversially in 2017 to South by one point.
I feel like bringing more than one team to any competition (other than invitationals) isn't a good idea (unless you are really really really confident that you can qualify for states/nationals).

Yeah at least for states bringing more than one team, unless your completely sure you have your best competitors on the same team, would only bring down your chances of winning.

Not necessarily. A second team could also increase the gap between a winning team and their competitor.

I understand, but usually in dividing for a second team, the top 15 are not necessarily placed on the "stacked" team, which could be the difference between qualifying for nats, and being a few points short.

pb5754[] wrote:

kate! wrote:

Name wrote: Or if you miss nats by like 20 pts but got DQed/tiered in some event

Eagle Hill.

TheChiScientist wrote:Can't help but feel bad for teams that miss nationals by one point. Even then any team that comes within 5 points wonders what could have been improved on.

Murphy.

Tbh I also feel bad for teams in other states that bring more than 1 team to states and lose that way. Why would a team do that? Basically, each team would want to beat the other but the better scores in events would only count for one team with a few events, so the team that did overall better would lose.

Montgomery lost very controversially in 2017 to South by one point.
I feel like bringing more than one team to any competition (other than invitationals) isn't a good idea (unless you are really really really confident that you can qualify for states/nationals).

My first year in Science Olympiad in division B, our two teams at regionals placed 3rd and 4th, with only a 7 point difference. Top 2 made it to state that year. We were unstacked (not by choice, our coach wouldn’t let us stack for some reason) and most likely would’ve have made it to state that year if we had brought only one team. Texas doesn’t allow multiple teams from the same school at state, but I would say if there’s any doubt of not qualifying for state/nationals, it’s best not to bring a second team, even if the first team is stacked.

I'm not sure why everyone assumes that, when there are two teams at states, they are necessarily unstacked. Sometimes teams are completely stacked and the "worse" team still does pretty well. For example, our varsity team got 99 points at regionals, our JV 128. Our teams were completely stacked. My guess is the second place team in VT was also completely stacked.

Also, "manual stacking" assumes that you can assimilate people perfectly into one team, which is almost never true, so it usually exaggerates the strength of the schools with multiple teams. You still can only have 15 (except in NC and NJ and probably a few other states) people on a team.

Alex-RCHS wrote:Also, "manual stacking" assumes that you can assimilate people perfectly into one team, which is almost never true, so it usually exaggerates the strength of the schools with multiple teams.

^ This. For those using manual stacking for predictions, definitely be careful and try to account for this.