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bri2433 wrote:Has anybody pulled the full 10kg (22Lbs.)?

We almost have it. Just need a few tweaks, and then it should work.

I saw 10Kg lifted this past Saturday.

Uncle Fester wrote:I saw 10Kg lifted this past Saturday.

Impressive! How far up did it travel?

Can a conveyor belt tilted upwards be used as the ramp and would objects travelling upward on it be considered to be pulled?

JMDugan wrote:Can a conveyor belt tilted upwards be used as the ramp and would objects travelling upward on it be considered to be pulled?

That would not be in the spirit of the rules, and I should think not.

foreverphysics wrote:

JMDugan wrote:Can a conveyor belt tilted upwards be used as the ramp and would objects travelling upward on it be considered to be pulled?

That would not be in the spirit of the rules, and I should think not.

I wouldn't necessarily jump to that conclusion....it might very well be within the spirit of the rules. However as always, this is not the place for official clarifications.

Hi there,

If we use a pulley system to do the ramp task, can we get credit for both the pulley and the ramp tasks?

Thanks

hscmom wrote:Hi there,

If we use a pulley system to do the ramp task, can we get credit for both the pulley and the ramp tasks?

Thanks

Take note of the first part of section 4, that explicitly says an action can only contribute to a single scoreable task.

chalker wrote: Take note of the first part of section 4, that explicitly says an action can only contribute to a single scoreable task.

Right, but I interpret that rule slightly differently. I think it means that if a single part/action of a task can apply to two scoreable tasks, then you can't do that. For example, you cannot use a single lever with an IMA greater than 1 in the lever system with an IMA greater than 5 and get points for both tasks (because that would be double counting the same action/component). In the case listed above, each component/action is only being counted a single time.

I think the question above relates more to the parallel task rule, of which there has been a significant amount of confusion through clarifications. What the parallel task rule comes down to is a constant chain of causality. That is, every action must cause the next action and there cannot be "fail-safe" paths. For example, two different tasks cannot hit the same switch to make sure the device continues to run even if one of the tasks fails.

Obviously, none of the above is an official clarification.

If you are simultaneously scoring points for the pulley and the ramp, how is that not a single action contributing to two scoreable tasks? Even if they have the pulley drag the object up the ramp for 10cm before lifting it 5 additional cm, it would seem to me that the ramp is not causing the next action , it is simply continuing.

ETA: I could see scoring both IFF there were another task in between - i.e., if the object triggered another action at the top of the ramp and stopped the pulley, and then some other action started the pulley again. Otherwise, it would seem to be either double-counting or parallel. Your thoughts, gentlemen?