Science Crimebusters and Forensics Should Be Separated

[dudeincolorado]

I think it would be more beneficial if the thread for SCB and Forensics was separated. If you read through it, it's a hodge podge of totally different subjects mostly pertaining to one event or another, and the stuff that does pertains to both subjects only really helps one side or the other because of the differences in the events themselves.

[gyourkoshaven]

http://www.scioly.org/phpBB3/viewtopic. ... 416#p67639

[dudeincolorado]

Ok. Lets try.

The powders for testing are almost completely different from each other.
In SCB the powders are considered household, for example, yeast, salt, flour. Whereas Forensics incorporates some of the one in SCB but also many others, boric acid, lithium chloride, ammonium chlorate. 50% and 20% of the overall score is from the identification of these powders, receptively. That's one major difference of the two

Crime scene evidence given is different.
In SCB the evidence from the crime include liquids, metals, and BASIC fingerprint identification, among others. In Forensics, liquids and metals are not given, and in depth analysis of fingerprints are expected along with glass analysis, etymology knowledge, blood analysis of humans and other species, and bullet striations comparisons. This is also approximately 20% of each event.

Tools are different
In Forensics competitors can use, voltmeters, thermometers, bunsen burners, Benedict's solution, and Sodium Hydroxide. These are not given in SCB. The different methods of testing available in Forensics are so different from SCB that it wouldn't be logical to keep them on the same thread.

The Analysis
In both events an analysis of the crime, suspects, and evidence is expected. They are the same in both events, but because they analyse the material mentioned above it make the two diffrent.

SCB and Forensics are both set up the same. Unknown materials are given that are expected to be analysed then put into an essay. But because the materials given are different, and the tools are different, it makes the two events essentially different. Therefore the threads should be separated.

[peoneill]

As someone who has commonly coordinated these events, I agree. We typically use a different coordinator for the 2 events at the Indiana tournament because the material is significantly different and the workload is like taking on 2 separate events to try to do both. We also have Dr. Lin Wozniewski who is an invaluable expert in both events (the national forensics coordinator, I believe) and so she takes on running both sometimes, but that's because she's taking on a double assignment as it were.

[Dark Sabre]

Are the posts in the thread separate enough that we could split the topic into two and have two nearly contiguous discussions or should one event just get a clean thread?

[dudeincolorado]

The difference is fairly clear, the first 4 pages are all SCB while the last page is all Forensics except the water testing blub.

[fmtiger124]

Just noticed, the new Forensics C thread has the thread created and the last post mixed up, it says last post was by Jim_R and thread created by pirate_capn38

[Dark Sabre]

I thought I fixed that already

Well, I fixed the first post/topic creator thing...again?

The latest post should update whenever the next person posts. It just shows Jim's post because I made a new reply to the thread and then changed the timestamp so it would show as the first post in the thread.

[Yatswscwpollwe]

This posts is very informative. Thank you!

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