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Does anyone know how to differentiate hydrogen peroxide and water? My coach said hydrogen peroxide should smell weird, but I can't tell the difference. ![Confused :?](./images/smilies/icon_e_confused.gif)
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Re: Crime Busters B
Hydrogen peroxide will react with other certain substances (can't look any up right now but I know that there is one with baking soda). You can also sometimes see bubbles.sciolylover13 wrote:Does anyone know how to differentiate hydrogen peroxide and water? My coach said hydrogen peroxide should smell weird, but I can't tell the difference.
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Re: Crime Busters B
The iodine test. KI should react slowly with the peroxide to form some gas, which means it will form bubbles after a while. Obviously, it will do nothing with water.sciolylover13 wrote:Does anyone know how to differentiate hydrogen peroxide and water? My coach said hydrogen peroxide should smell weird, but I can't tell the difference.
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Ok thanks!samlan16 wrote:The iodine test. KI should react slowly with the peroxide to form some gas, which means it will form bubbles after a while. Obviously, it will do nothing with water.sciolylover13 wrote:Does anyone know how to differentiate hydrogen peroxide and water? My coach said hydrogen peroxide should smell weird, but I can't tell the difference.
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How do you test the pH of powders? (especially cornstarch, as it's insoluble and if you can't find the pH it's really hard to differentiate from flour)
Also, how are you supposed to ID mixtures? Do you try to separate each powder or do you test them together?
Also, how are you supposed to ID mixtures? Do you try to separate each powder or do you test them together?
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For cornstarch and flour, you should be able to tell the difference by looking and feeling (if you know that the unknown is either cornstarch or flour). Cornstarch should be pure white, and flour should be off-white. Also, cornstarch will feel slippery, and flour will not.ampy1234567 wrote:How do you test the pH of powders? (especially cornstarch, as it's insoluble and if you can't find the pH it's really hard to differentiate from flour)
Also, how are you supposed to ID mixtures? Do you try to separate each powder or do you test them together?
You test mixtures together. For mixtures, the mixture should have 2 identifying properties. For example, for cornstarch and alka-seltzer, the cornstarch will cause the iodine to turn a blackish blue color, and the alka-seltzer will fizz in HCl and H2O.
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Crime Busters B: questions on polymers
Hi, I am coaching my kids at home for the first time for CB event. I have a question for testing polymers. I will first describe what we did today and then ask my questions.
I provided them water, 70% alcohol, and saturated salt solution for testing solutions. And I gave them all 6 polymers to test (don't have PMMA yet). So the 3 that floated were LDPE, HDPE, PP, and the 3 that sunk were PVC, PS, PETE. This was the simple part. Next they used the 70% alcohol to test the 3 that floated, and they all sunk in alcohol. Then adding a little water at a time, PP started floating first, then LDPE, and HDPE remained sunk. For the other 3 that sunk in water, they next used saturated salt solution, and PS floated, but PETE and PVC remained sunk.
Questions:
1) How do I go about distinguishing PETE and PVC from here?
2) One flow chart used Calcium Chloride. Is it necessary? Do I have other options?
3) Is this approach to testing polymers adequate? In the competition, not all polymers will be given right? If that is the case, then there will really be no way to compare which polymers float first or second or last, then how would they know how to identify the specific polymer?
4) What testing solutions are generally provided for testing?
5) Will the density of these solutions be given? If so, then simply by comparing the density of solutions to the density of polymers will suffice right? This makes it seems really easy!
Sample tests are not very helpful in figuring out the answers to these questions.
I provided them water, 70% alcohol, and saturated salt solution for testing solutions. And I gave them all 6 polymers to test (don't have PMMA yet). So the 3 that floated were LDPE, HDPE, PP, and the 3 that sunk were PVC, PS, PETE. This was the simple part. Next they used the 70% alcohol to test the 3 that floated, and they all sunk in alcohol. Then adding a little water at a time, PP started floating first, then LDPE, and HDPE remained sunk. For the other 3 that sunk in water, they next used saturated salt solution, and PS floated, but PETE and PVC remained sunk.
Questions:
1) How do I go about distinguishing PETE and PVC from here?
2) One flow chart used Calcium Chloride. Is it necessary? Do I have other options?
3) Is this approach to testing polymers adequate? In the competition, not all polymers will be given right? If that is the case, then there will really be no way to compare which polymers float first or second or last, then how would they know how to identify the specific polymer?
4) What testing solutions are generally provided for testing?
5) Will the density of these solutions be given? If so, then simply by comparing the density of solutions to the density of polymers will suffice right? This makes it seems really easy!
Sample tests are not very helpful in figuring out the answers to these questions.
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Crime Busters B: PETE v. PVC
I got the following info from the internet, is this true? My pellets sure don't match what is described.
"What do these pellets feel like?
P.E. pellets feel like half of a sphere, and P.V.C. pellets are smaller than P.E. pellets, they feel cylinder but round on one side."
"What do these pellets feel like?
P.E. pellets feel like half of a sphere, and P.V.C. pellets are smaller than P.E. pellets, they feel cylinder but round on one side."
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