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I'm wondering about the first bonus ETS. The rules state that each must be initiated by a golf ball moving into a scoring jug. This is clear enough, although it appears that the golf ball that starts the device in motion cannot be used to start the first ETS, unless it somehow makes it to below all scoring jugs before being lifted toward one. So, it looks like the device needs to get into position to start the first bonus ETS, meaning that some transfers need to occur first that aren't part of the first bonus ETS.

Did I interpret this correctly? Then if so, at least the sequence to get into position to initiate the first bonus ETS does not need to follow 4.b.2).
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chalker wrote: That said, I'm pretty confident that the prohibition on IC's wasn't intended to apply to small piezo buzzers with integrated drivers for use in the final task. Someone should submit a FAQ about this when they open next month... hint hint;)
I have a stack of about 200 greeting cards my dad bought on Liquidation.com, and they have a system like this:

http://www.soundexpressiongreetings.com ... module.jpg

Do you think a lift on the IC ban for the final task would allow the use of the above module?

On another note, did anyone notice that there's no ban on parallel tasks this year?
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JimY wrote:I'm wondering about the first bonus ETS. The rules state that each must be initiated by a golf ball moving into a scoring jug. This is clear enough, although it appears that the golf ball that starts the device in motion cannot be used to start the first ETS, unless it somehow makes it to below all scoring jugs before being lifted toward one. So, it looks like the device needs to get into position to start the first bonus ETS, meaning that some transfers need to occur first that aren't part of the first bonus ETS.

Did I interpret this correctly? Then if so, at least the sequence to get into position to initiate the first bonus ETS does not need to follow 4.b.2).

I believe the rules (looking at section 4.a) say the original golf ball for the start task needs to be dropped above the device and initiate the next action. I dont see anything that it has to go into a jug.
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Hi everyone, I'm curious how the ETS thing works this year. On 5.l. it says "50 pts per each successful unique ETS. (max 6x50=300 pts)". Is the device limited to 6 scorable transfers this year? From my understanding, there should be many more possible combinations. And no where else do the rules set a 6 transfer limit.
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themaker wrote:Hi everyone, I'm curious how the ETS thing works this year. On 5.l. it says "50 pts per each successful unique ETS. (max 6x50=300 pts)". Is the device limited to 6 scorable transfers this year? From my understanding, there should be many more possible combinations. And no where else do the rules set a 6 transfer limit.
The maximum for the bonus score is six energy transfers. Can you do more? yes. They just won't count for the fifty point bonus. This is similar to the maximum number of sorted golf tees, marbles, and paper clips last year was ten each.
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The device will only score points for six energy transfer sequences, such as M-E-T-M. As I understand the rules, this means that a series of energy transfers should connect each golf ball task, and it doesn't matter how many transfers there are in each ETS, just that it's a unique sequence.
As such, a maximum points device will have at least 12 energy transfers, maybe more, because each ETS consists of at least 2 energy transfers. This also doesn't mean 12 unique transfers, as
M-t-m and m-e-t-m are unique sequences but reuse t-m

What I'm wondering is if a device with One sequence VL-E-M and another separate sequence M-E-VL-E-M will count as having two unique ETS's since the second sequence contains the first sequence.
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olympiaddict wrote:The device will only score points for six energy transfer sequences, such as M-E-T-M. As I understand the rules, this means that a series of energy transfers should connect each golf ball task, and it doesn't matter how many transfers there are in each ETS, just that it's a unique sequence.
As such, a maximum points device will have at least 12 energy transfers, maybe more, because each ETS consists of at least 2 energy transfers. This also doesn't mean 12 unique transfers, as
M-t-m and m-e-t-m are unique sequences but reuse t-m

What I'm wondering is if a device with One sequence VL-E-M and another separate sequence M-E-VL-E-M will count as having two unique ETS's since the second sequence contains the first sequence.
I would think it would count as 2 distinct energy transfers -- and therefore two ETS's -- because, as you said, it is all about creating different sequences and as a whole unit, the sequences between activation and putting the ball into the jug are different in your two examples. What I am wondering is whether a sequence can consist of the same energy transfer of two different applications, followed by another energy transfer. For instance, would this be a valid sequence as an ETS: "M-M-E". The rules do state that two or more transfers from "one Energy Form to a different energy form" must take place, however, I would think this would be acceptable because it is a sequence of three steps in which there are back to back transfers of differing Energy forms?
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Are we dropping all golf balls at the same time into the device? How does dropping work?
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SWAnG wrote:Are we dropping all golf balls at the same time into the device? How does dropping work?
Rule 4. a. refers to a single golf ball used to initiate the first action.
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When Rule 4.b. says that an ETS can only receive points if it is initiated by the process of a golf ball moving into a scoring jug, does this mean the entire process, as in any point along the device, or does it mean right at the instant when the golf ball is dropping into the scoring jug?
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