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TheWiseGirl wrote:@Phenyl: I just took your practice test, and while it did lean towards the easy side, it was still VERY nicely written. You'll go on to write great tests for Science Olympiad! :)
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I have a question about PARP. After doing research, I became confused over how the apoptosis cascade continues with PARP. What exactly happens? Is it the overactivation of PARP (after Caspase-3 cleavage at the specific domain) which causes PARP to use all the NAD+ in the cell with PAR systhesis and then ATP depletion in the cell? Or is it the inactivation of PARP after Caspase-3 cuts the DNA-binding domain from the essential catalytic domain and the auto-modification domain, causing the DNA-binding domain to clog up the SSB?

Aren't these two processes very different? Or do they work in conjunction?
It might be a combination of the two (from what I can deduce from Wikipedia); because Caspase-3 cleaves PARP, it'll change PARP's function into using up all the ATP, which is part of the process of Apoptosis. So basically PARP still tries to repair damaged DNA, but in reality it's killing the cell at the same time.
...Don't quote me on this though. I could be very wrong...

*Edit: Okay, so I reread the Wiki article again and it says that PARP can use up all the ATP while repairing the DNA; but I believe that usually in the apoptotic pathway it will be inactivated by proteolytic cleavage courtesy of Caspase-3.

On another note does anyone know what kDA is? Is it just a special unit of measurement?
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kDa stands for kilodalton, which is derived from daltons, which are a type of mass unit for atoms. I think they're like atomic mass units, but I'm not super sure.
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I am really delayed on events this year. I am just now starting researching for events and such. I do have a question, however; there are 6 chains on the jmol figure, yet only 2 listed to the side. Shouldn't i have 6 in the prebuild? Also- I can not find a sequence for the amino acid residues in each chain. Will i have to go through each one and write it down? This is my second year doing protein modeling, and i want to take this seriously and do a lot better than last year as a freshman (11th in division). Any help would be greatly appreciated! (=
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Helicase wrote:I am really delayed on events this year. I am just now starting researching for events and such. I do have a question, however; there are 6 chains on the jmol figure, yet only 2 listed to the side. Shouldn't i have 6 in the prebuild? Also- I can not find a sequence for the amino acid residues in each chain. Will i have to go through each one and write it down? This is my second year doing protein modeling, and i want to take this seriously and do a lot better than last year as a freshman (11th in division). Any help would be greatly appreciated! (=
Four of the chains are caspase-3. Chains A and C are identical, as are B and D, so you only need to model A and B. Chains E and F are XIAP, which is not a required part of the model.

You can find the sequence of the amino acids in the PDB entry for caspase-3. There is a link to it somewhere in the thread.
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soccer_5456 wrote:
TheWiseGirl wrote:@Phenyl: I just took your practice test, and while it did lean towards the easy side, it was still VERY nicely written. You'll go on to write great tests for Science Olympiad! :)
I agree!!

I have a question about PARP. After doing research, I became confused over how the apoptosis cascade continues with PARP. What exactly happens? Is it the overactivation of PARP (after Caspase-3 cleavage at the specific domain) which causes PARP to use all the NAD+ in the cell with PAR systhesis and then ATP depletion in the cell? Or is it the inactivation of PARP after Caspase-3 cuts the DNA-binding domain from the essential catalytic domain and the auto-modification domain, causing the DNA-binding domain to clog up the SSB?

Aren't these two processes very different? Or do they work in conjunction?
Okay, the reason you became confused is because it is confusing. I'm working my way through the literature on PARP, and there isn't much of a consensus on how PARP actually comes into play in the apoptosis cascade. It has two established roles: it is cleaved by caspase-3, and it can start its own, separate (caspase-independent) apoptosis pathway by causing mitochondria to produce AIF in response to its PAR synthesis. But it isn't known exactly what the cleavage-by-caspase-3 part does (although let's be clear on this one thing that we do know: caspase-3 cleavage of PARP inactivates PARP – its purpose is to attach a bunch of poly(ADP-ribose), or PAR, to DNA at sites of single strand breakage, and it can't do that if its catalytic domain, which does the PAR synthesis and attachment part, is no longer capable of getting close to DNA because it's no longer attached to the DNA binding domain).

On the one hand, you have the inactivation of this DNA repair protein, which seems like a logical thing to happen during apoptosis. This rather simplistic explanation of what's going on is the one they went for on the CBM site, so for the purposes of the event, it's a good place to start.

But on the other hand, studies show that apoptosis still occurs in cells that have been modified to express a mutant PARP that cannot be cleaved by caspase-3 (and in fact, one study found that this increased the rate of cell death – more on that later), so obviously PARP cleavage is not vital for apoptosis. It's not that the DNA repair pathway that PARP participates in somehow prevents apoptosis from occurring – by the time the cell even gets to the point of caspase-3 cleaving PARP, the cell is already pretty much doomed. Even when PARP continues flagging DNA breaks for repair (which is actually all it does; other proteins do the actual repairing), the cell goes ahead and dies anyway.

One theory is that there's no point in having this protein trying to repair DNA that's doomed anyway, and some later steps of apoptosis require ATP, so PARP (which uses NAD+ in its PAR synthesis) is cleaved to prevent ATP depletion. However, like I said before, cell death occurs even when PARP continues using up the NAD+. The question is (and this question may be answered somewhere in the literature, but I certainly haven't found it yet), do the "later steps of apoptosis" that supposedly require ATP still occur? Or does the cell just undergo lysis without the nice, orderly formation of apoptosomes? Certainly the cell exhibits some usual signs of apoptosis anyway: chromatin condensation, morphological changes, etc. But this ATP-depleted form of apoptosis could be messier and less desirable for the organism in the long run.

Basically it comes down to: caspase-3 cleaves PARP, inactivating its DNA-repair function. This also prevents ATP depletion of the cell. Neither of these things appears to be necessary for apoptosis to occur, but they must somehow be preferable to the alternative.
EASTstroudsburg13 wrote:kDa stands for kilodalton, which is derived from daltons, which are a type of mass unit for atoms. I think they're like atomic mass units, but I'm not super sure.
A Dalton is exactly one atomic mass unit. A kiloDalton is, of course, one thousand Daltons. It's a common unit of measure for protein mass, because essentially all proteins are on the kDa scale rather than the Da scale.

It's also a common way of identifying cleavage products of a protein – for instance, the two subunits of caspase-3 that we've been referring to as chain A and chain B are also known as the p17 and p12 subunits, respectively, because the former is about 17 kDa and the latter is about 12 kDa.
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I've yet to do much research on PARP, but the PubMed article cited on the pdb file (3od8) looks like it'll be a good place to start (I used the cited article of caspase-3/XIAP for information regarding important residues). However, accessing the full article seems to require subscription/payment. Does anyone know of a good, reliable way to access the full article without having to go through all that red tape, if it's possible (and legal)?
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For everyone: I've done more reading on PARP (and caspase-3, but I think everyone's figured out at least the basics on that) and will shortly be adding what I've figured out to the Protein Modeling Wiki.
Dragonshark wrote:I've yet to do much research on PARP, but the PubMed article cited on the pdb file (3od8) looks like it'll be a good place to start (I used the cited article of caspase-3/XIAP for information regarding important residues). However, accessing the full article seems to require subscription/payment. Does anyone know of a good, reliable way to access the full article without having to go through all that red tape, if it's possible (and legal)?
It's too recent. JBC seems to release (all? most? some? of) their articles for free relatively quickly, compared to other journals (some of which never do), but this was just published last year. According to this page, it will become available on March 25, 2012 – just under three weeks from now.

So, my good, reliable, legal way of accessing this article: wait three weeks. In the meantime, there are many, many other journal articles about PARP out there for the reading.
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My partner and I were just put on this event Tues., and looked at all the websites and are extremely confused, Our competition is Sat. Help!!
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lmae28 wrote:My partner and I were just put on this event Tues., and looked at all the websites and are extremely confused, Our competition is Sat. Help!!
It's much easier to help when you have specific questions. What do you want to know?
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Phenylethylamine wrote:
lmae28 wrote:My partner and I were just put on this event Tues., and looked at all the websites and are extremely confused, Our competition is Sat. Help!!
It's much easier to help when you have specific questions. What do you want to know?
WE would like to know how to do the prebuild mostly how to figure out what it supose to look like with additions from the stupid Jmol junk that only show s gray lines and where each amino acid and chain is and how to stand it up and such stuff like that
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