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JTMess wrote:Balsa Man, what thickness carbon fiber is your team using for the chassis and where did they find it? We have been having difficulties finding carbon fiber, which we may be using for states and we aren't sure which thickness will be rigid enough without holding it. Since the Lexan we considered wasn't rigid enough, we are now looking at other materials that will prevent deformation as the car reaches the bottom of the ramp.
Yup, as I posted a while back, chassis stiffness is an important factor; helps in a number of ways, and gets more important as weight goes up to the 2.5k limit. As I described then, we're using a 1/2" balsa core that we laminate CF onto as a skin (top and bottom sides).

The CF for the skin is a 0.014 " unidirectional laminate By itself, its quite flexible in two dimensions- you can roll a sheet piece into a tube. In the plane of the sheet, it's crazy stiff. It's important to understand, it's not just the 2 layers of CF skin that get you chassis plate stiffness- its the sandwich lam w/ the balsa core. When the CF is bonded, when you (try to) bend the plate, the forces go into the plane of the CF sheets on either side; one side goes into compression; tho other side into tension; the CF neither stretches nor compresses. The distance between the CF layers also affects sandwich stiffness- the thicker, the stiffer. The chassis plate also has CF strips around the edges- 1/2" x 0.030" When done, it's just ridiculously stiff- significantly stiffer than ....say, like a 1/2" piece of oak; maybe even a 3/4"; and at a fraction of the weight. Way stiffer than 1/8th T6061 aluminum, or even T7075T6. Lexan is great for some things (we have a number of Lexan bits), very tough, but sheet stiffness is not particularly good. Not too bad at 1/4", but nowhere near a CF/balsa sandwich, and you're talking significantly more weight. Our basic/bare chassis plate is less than 100 gr.

There are a number on on-line suppliers; the one we got ours from is here: http://www.cstsales.com/carbon_shapes_subpg.html
See Rectangular Carbon Fiber Laminates - a 12" x 36" piece for $27.55. It can be cut with a straight edge and razor blade; the blade will dull quickly, though.
Do be very careful about splinters when playing with CF, especially unidirectional sheet and strips - tiny and nasty. If cutting on a table saw, wear eye and respiratory protection; CF bits in eyes and lungs are not good for you....
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bearasauras wrote:Just wondering so we can write clearer rules.....how did you interpret "on either side of the vehicle between the front and rear axles"? Did you interpret it as either "inside or outside"?
Yeah, you can't get much clearer than "on either side," IMO.
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Flavorflav wrote:
bearasauras wrote:Just wondering so we can write clearer rules.....how did you interpret "on either side of the vehicle between the front and rear axles"? Did you interpret it as either "inside or outside"?
Yeah, you can't get much clearer than "on either side," IMO.
Made sense to me, but I suppose "along the left or right side of the vehicle and between the front and rear axles" is a little clearer.
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Half-Blood-Princess wrote:How much are you're guys vehicles weighing???? :?: :idea:


I think we should name them too, mine is named Carlisle... lol ;) :lol:
The vehicle itself weighs ~200 grams, and the total weight is around 2.1 kg. I haven't tested without the weight yet.

As for the name...I named my car Shrimp Jambalaya, since that's what we named our bottle rockets last year.


Oh okay, thanks. We haven't weighed ours yet, but im sure its around the limit... And thats a funny name ^.^
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curly657 wrote:We have 10lb dumbbells that we place under the ramp to add weight. Is it ok if we add this when we're setting the ramp up, or does it have to be attached and impounded with the ramp?

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yes it has to be attached and impounded with the ramp =]
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Primate wrote:
Flavorflav wrote:
bearasauras wrote:Just wondering so we can write clearer rules.....how did you interpret "on either side of the vehicle between the front and rear axles"? Did you interpret it as either "inside or outside"?
Yeah, you can't get much clearer than "on either side," IMO.
Made sense to me, but I suppose "along the left or right side of the vehicle and between the front and rear axles" is a little clearer.
Or dose it mean either side as in 1 paperclip, and you can pick which side, or as in like, you need 2 paperclips on both sides??? :?: :?: :?: :?:
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Ah I see. But I would be okay with 2 paperclips (one on left and one on right). As long as they're not inside....
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bearasauras wrote:Ah I see. But I would be okay with 2 paperclips (one on left and one on right). As long as they're not inside....
How would it be okay with two paperclips? What if the left one is closer on one run, then the right one is closer on the next. Would you be able to pick which one you want to measure from?
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But doesn't the rules say "a bent paper clip?"
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I'd ask the students which ones they would want to pick before they run :P
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